印度尼西亞禁止銷售新款 iPhone：禁令出臺意味著政府采取措施遏制大型科技公司
Indonesia blocks sale of new iPhone: Ban comes as govt takes steps to curb big tech
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印度尼西亞當(dāng)局已禁止銷售新推出的 iPhone 和其他蘋果產(chǎn)品。他們表示，該公司未能履行支持當(dāng)?shù)仄髽I(yè)的承諾。據(jù)知情人士透露，蘋果未履行在印尼投資1.1億美元的義務(wù)，被認(rèn)為忽視印尼市場
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Indonesian authorities have banned the sale of new iPhones and other Apple products.
They say the company has failed to live up to its promise to support local businesses.
Apple has defaulted on its obligation to invest $110 million in Indonesia and is seen as ignoring the Indonesian market, according to people familiar with the matter.
印度尼西亞當(dāng)局已禁止銷售新推出的 iPhone 和其他蘋果產(chǎn)品。
他們表示，該公司未能履行支持當(dāng)?shù)仄髽I(yè)的承諾。
據(jù)知情人士透露，蘋果未履行在印尼投資1.1億美元的義務(wù)，被認(rèn)為忽視印尼市場
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Glad to see a country putting its own benefit first.
很高興看到一個國家把自身利益放在首位。
Nothing bad about this policy
這個政策沒有什么不好的。
They are requiring that 40% of the company's value come from Indonesia. If I was Tim Apple, I'd also say F it and leave, that's too much hassle and wasteful inefficiency.
他們要求公司的40%價值來自印度尼西亞。如果我是蒂姆·蘋果，我也會選擇離開，這太麻煩了且效率低下。
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That's not how the regulations work. Apple has failed to comply with Indonesian regulations requiring them to either employ local workers or establish a facility here. Instead, they've opted for a more costly solution by signing a contract to invest in the country and establish an annual "Apple Academy." However, they've defaulted on their financial obligations for this year, prompting the government to restrict their operations. This action is necessary to protect the Indonesian economy and prevent Apple from profiting without contributing to local job creation or economic growth. In short it means if Apple would still be allowed to sell their iPhone here, it would be a one sided deal, and hurt our economy.
這并不是規(guī)定的運作方式。蘋果未能遵守印度尼西亞的規(guī)定，要求他們要么雇傭當(dāng)?shù)毓と?，要么在這里建立設(shè)施。相反，他們選擇了更昂貴的解決方案，簽署合同在該國投資并建立一個年度“蘋果學(xué)院”。然而，他們未能履行今年的財務(wù)義務(wù)，促使政府限制他們的運營。這一措施是保護(hù)印度尼西亞經(jīng)濟的必要舉措，以防止蘋果在沒有為當(dāng)?shù)貏?chuàng)造就業(yè)機會或經(jīng)濟增長做出貢獻(xiàn)的情況下獲利。簡而言之，這意味著如果蘋果仍然被允許在這里銷售他們的iPhone，那將是一種單方面的交易，傷害我們的經(jīng)濟。
Thats actually pretty good for a policy
這實際上是一個不錯的政策。
then just leave.
那就離開吧。
thats great. iphone users are annoying anyway.
這很好，反正iPhone用戶也很煩人。
why you are worry about apple. if u not like. simply avoid it. thats all. typical android fan boy
你為什么擔(dān)心蘋果。如果你不喜歡，就避開它，沒什么大不了的。典型的安卓粉。
Learn to innovate yourself. You want another country to share their secrets or want to steal it
學(xué)會自己創(chuàng)新。你想讓其他國家分享他們的秘密，還是想偷走它？
Indonesia has no capacity to manufacture such advanced phones. Indonesian consumers pay the monetary penalty.
印度尼西亞沒有能力制造如此先進(jìn)的手機。印度尼西亞消費者將承擔(dān)經(jīng)濟損失。
You want to collect the money from Indonesians in your products, then invest there. Seems like a smart move from Indonesia to me.
你想在你的產(chǎn)品中從印度尼西亞人那里收錢，然后在那兒投資。我覺得這是印度尼西亞的一個聰明舉措。
learn to find another market then. It's not like life will be a hassle without iphone, apple need Indonesian market more than Indonesian market need apple
那就學(xué)會尋找其他市場吧。沒有iPhone生活不會變得很麻煩，蘋果需要印度尼西亞市場的需求比印度尼西亞市場對蘋果的需求更大。
that's not how capitalist work kiddo
這不是資本主義的運作方式，小朋友。
Well done Indonesia
印度尼西亞做得很好。
It will have little or no effect on apples revenue or margin. iPhone market share in Indonesia is only 12%. Those that can afford it there are going to buy the new phones from abroad. This whole thing is just for show.
這對蘋果的收入或利潤幾乎沒有影響。iPhone在印度尼西亞的市場份額僅為12%。在那里能負(fù)擔(dān)得起的人會去國外購買新手機。這一切只是做做樣子。
Don't expect these people to understand cause and effect.
不要指望這些人理解因果關(guān)系。
Great jobb indonesia
印度尼西亞干得好。
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indonesian who wanted to purchase iphone 16 will go travel to neighboring countries such as Malaysia and Singapore.. it will be victory for Malaysia and Singapore in terms of tourism and business
想購買iPhone 16的印度尼西亞人將會去馬來西亞和新加坡等鄰國旅行。這將是馬來西亞和新加坡在旅游和商業(yè)方面的勝利。
no warranty, no imei, illegal product. What do you expect from this market?
沒有保修，沒有IMEI，屬于非法產(chǎn)品。你對這個市場有什么期待？
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it is useless if Indonesian citizens who buy Iphone 16 abroad will not be able to use it in Indonesia. because Imei is blocked. also if caught having iphone 16 then it is an illegal act and can be subject to sanctions.
如果印度尼西亞公民在國外購買iPhone 16后無法在印度尼西亞使用，那就毫無意義。因為IMEI被封鎖。此外，如果被抓到擁有iPhone 16，則屬于非法行為，可能會受到制裁。
investment is good on these big population countries. asian countries are getting wealthier and their people too getting more consumptive. on a long run it’ll be a good investment if apple bring themselves to Indonesia. though people can buy it abroad or import from a third party, the sell will remain lower than the other option
在這些人口眾多的國家投資是好的。亞洲國家越來越富裕，人們也變得更加消費。從長遠(yuǎn)來看，如果蘋果能夠進(jìn)入印度尼西亞，這將是一個好的投資。盡管人們可以在國外購買或從第三方進(jìn)口，但銷售仍將低于其他選擇。
Good news for Chinese smartphone.
對中國智能手機來說是個好消息。
Who said that 12% of the largest iPhone users are in Southeast Asia, yes in Indonesia because of its large population
誰說12%的最大iPhone用戶在東南亞，是的，在印度尼西亞，因為它有龐大的人口。
You need to know that 12% is still a whole lot, especially if it comes from a country that is the fourth of the highest population in the whole world.
你需要知道12%仍然是相當(dāng)可觀的，特別是當(dāng)它來自一個世界上第四大人口的國家時。
it's worst when you want to claim waranty and take a time
當(dāng)你想要申請保修時，情況會更糟，還要花費時間。
12% is fking lot. usa ban huawei, dji for make their apple sales high in usa otherwise crapple is never get good sales in usa too
12%是非常多的。美國禁止華為和大疆以提高蘋果在美國的銷量，否則蘋果在美國也不會有好銷量。
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you do realise that 12% is actually a lot right? Especially with a big population like Indonesia
你知道12%實際上是很多的，對吧？尤其是在像印度尼西亞這樣的大國。
Jobless clowns
失業(yè)的小丑。
your sanction your citizens? hahahahaha
你在制裁自己的公民嗎？哈哈哈哈。
There is a requirement for locally source component. Apple actually planned to open factory in Indonesia under one condition, tax free for 50 years, which is something that our government can't agree about.
有要求必須使用本地采購的組件。蘋果實際上計劃在印度尼西亞開設(shè)工廠，但有一個條件，即免稅50年，而這正是我們政府無法同意的。
50 years wtf
50年，天哪。
50 years is excessive. They should've started the bid at 20.
50年太過分了。他們應(yīng)該從20年開始討論。
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Gila yg bener aja, kita kelas menengah apa apa dipajakin. Konglomerat asing ga boleh bebas pajak selama itu.
真是瘋了，我們中產(chǎn)階級的所有事情都要被征稅。外資企業(yè)怎么可以享受這么長時間的免稅。
5 at most amd that's already overboard
最多5年，這已經(jīng)超出合理范圍。
50?! shame on them really
50年？！他們真是丟臉。
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Wanna live rent free in Indonesia while harvesting your resources and earn your people money. That's bull sh|t.
想在印度尼西亞免費居住，同時掠奪資源賺取當(dāng)?shù)厝嗣竦腻X。這真是胡說。
yes
是的。
better than nothing.
總比沒有好。
It's not a big deal anyway, since the new features that iPhone 16 has is the AI which you can't use on the launch day since it's under development and the other is the stupid touch sensitive camera button. Which makes taking photos even more difficult than using the menus on the phone. Check the reviews about iPhone 16. The reviewers are disappointed and planned to return theirs.
這無所謂，因為iPhone 16的新功能是人工智能，你在發(fā)布當(dāng)天無法使用，因為它還在開發(fā)中，另一個是愚蠢的觸控攝像頭按鈕。這使得拍照比使用手機菜單更困難。看看關(guān)于iPhone 16的評論。評論者感到失望，并計劃退貨。
Tech company probably won't last 50 years
科技公司可能撐不到50年。
apple got the deal in vietnam i read in one of the news. I still think Indonesia missed the opportunity tho. I dont use apple lol too expensive for me
我在新聞中看到蘋果在越南達(dá)成了協(xié)議。我仍然認(rèn)為印度尼西亞錯過了機會。我不使用蘋果，太貴了。
Other brands will protest if it is fulfilled by the Indonesian government
如果印尼政府滿足這個要求，其他品牌會抗議。
Tax free should be as long as the factory is in there
只要工廠在那里，免稅就應(yīng)該持續(xù)。
If apple get what they want, other brand will request the same practice and our governmwnt will loose soo much tax money if that happen.
如果蘋果得到他們想要的，其他品牌也會要求同樣的做法，如果發(fā)生這種情況，我們的政府將損失大量稅收。
Tax free for 50 years !!!! Come on lah... that condition alone shows Apple has no good intention ... thats economic colonialism.... you expect any govt to approve such condition ? Nutz ! Bo Nao ..... where got such thing one leh !!!!????
免稅50年！真是天方夜譚……光這個條件就說明蘋果沒有好意……這就是經(jīng)濟殖民主義……你指望哪個政府同意這樣的條件？太荒唐了！
itu angka nya ga ngasal, itu tawaran dari vietnam. Makanya apple jadinya buka ke vietnam, soalnya indonesia ga mau nyamain tawaran vietnam. Realistis aja, bisnis pasti ngambil deal terbaik.
這個數(shù)字不是隨便來的，而是越南的報價。因此蘋果選擇在越南開設(shè)工廠，因為印度尼西亞不愿意匹配越南的報價?，F(xiàn)實點，商業(yè)上肯定會選擇最優(yōu)的交易。
search vietnam tax freedom. The 50 years number came from them offering to foreign investor.
查查越南的免稅政策。50年的數(shù)字是他們提供給外國投資者的。
10 years could be logic but 50 years tax free is kind an absurd. No country can give this kind of benefit then. Too demanding.
10年是合邏輯的，但50年的免稅實在太荒唐。沒有國家能提供這種好處，太過于苛求了。
Vietnam give 50 years free tax for apple factory
越南給蘋果工廠50年免稅。
yup. 5 years is minimum. They could actually negotiate for extension for another 5 years only if they locally employ minimum 500 additional employees every 5 years(must be local citizen). Unable to achieve this criteria, business tax will continue to be applied as usual
沒錯，5年是最低要求。他們實際上可以談判延長5年，但前提是每五年至少雇傭500名本地員工。如果未能達(dá)到這個標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，企業(yè)稅將照常征收。
I wonder what Money scheme Vietnam can acquire from Apple to compensate for that 50 years tax free benefit. Even "providing cheap job opportunities to vienamese workers" might be a little too lacking for such benefit to be feasible
我想知道越南能從蘋果那里獲得什么樣的資金補償，以換取50年的免稅好處。甚至“提供便宜的工作機會給越南工人”可能對如此巨大的好處來說也顯得不夠。
Vietnam have population of 100 million gonna see how much use iphone
越南有一億人口，看看有多少人使用iPhone。
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Dari pada memberikan itu, lebih baik tidak pakai produk USA.. Pemerintahan indonesia yang sekarang bukan pemerintahan yang dulu, , Yang dulu indonesia membiarkan Gunung Emas di papua indonesia di keruk dan di ambil Oleh perusahaan USA lebih dari 50 tahun, sekarang kebodohan itu tak akan pernah terulang kembali.. Gunung Emas di keruk selama lebih dari 50 tahun oleh PT freeport, dan sampai sekarang masih belum habis.. Jangan sampai kita di bodohi oleh USA lagi...
與其給他們，不如不使用美國的產(chǎn)品?，F(xiàn)在的印度尼西亞政府與之前的不同，以前印度尼西亞允許美國公司在印尼的黃金山開采超過50年，現(xiàn)在這樣的愚蠢不會再重演。自由港公司在50多年的開采中至今仍未結(jié)束。不要讓我們再被美國愚弄了。
like vietnam?
像越南一樣？
yeah fk that!
是的，去你媽的！
50 years is wild bruh
50年實在太瘋狂了，兄弟。
This is actually a smart move by the Indonesian government. Yes so many apple fans would be disappointed but for the long run this might help the country to be less "consumer" or "underdog" country
這實際上是印度尼西亞政府的聰明舉動。是的，很多蘋果粉絲會感到失望，但從長遠(yuǎn)來看，這可能會幫助這個國家不再是一個“消費型”或“弱勢”國家。
Devil in details, gave concession on tax just a facade. The reason is Vietnam’s access to Chinese market while Indonesia depend to its own market. This is more about geopolitics with some smidge off economics.
細(xì)節(jié)中藏著魔鬼，給予稅收的讓步只是一種表象。原因在于越南能夠進(jìn)入中國市場，而印度尼西亞則依賴自身市場。這更多是關(guān)于地緣政治的問題，稍微涉及經(jīng)濟。
the problem is, iphone is considered luxury items. not putting tax on luxury items are plain illegal if they sell their product here taking money
問題是，iPhone被視為奢侈品。如果他們在這里銷售產(chǎn)品而不對奢侈品征稅，那就是違法的。
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50years of tax free what tf is that proposal
50年免稅，這是什么荒唐的提議？
Such a dumb comment. Intel has been around for 56 years and are still going strong.
Even Apple themselves have been around for 48 years and are currently the most valuable company in the world. They aren't going away anytime soon.
這樣的評論真是愚蠢。英特爾已經(jīng)存在了56年，依然強勁。甚至蘋果自己也已經(jīng)存在了48年，現(xiàn)在是世界上最有價值的公司。他們不會很快消失。
Good move from Indonesia
印度尼西亞的舉措很好。
And finally we have the real president (Mr.Prabowo) not like the incompetent before...
最后我們有了真正的總統(tǒng)（普拉博沃先生），而不是之前那個無能的。
Good move from Indonesian, Indonesia don’t have any apple store so they need to import it from Singapore/Malaysia/China every year, and it’s only benefiting that exporter country, eventhough Indonesian have big market for apple but still apple don’t want to open their official store there, sooo i think that’s very brave move from the goverment to put their country first
印度尼西亞的舉措很好，印度尼西亞沒有蘋果商店，所以他們每年需要從新加坡/馬來西亞/中國進(jìn)口，而這只會讓出口國受益，盡管印度尼西亞有巨大的蘋果市場，但蘋果仍然不愿意在那開設(shè)官方商店。因此，我認(rèn)為政府把國家放在首位是非常勇敢的舉措。
stop memperkaya singapore
停止讓新加坡受益。
Setuju
同意。
not apple store but apple factory
不是蘋果商店，而是蘋果工廠。
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pabrik apel tapi apel punya persyaratan. pabrik mereka tidak dikenakan pajak selama 50 tahun jadi pemerintah akhir melarang apel
蘋果工廠有條件。他們的工廠在50年內(nèi)免稅，因此政府最終禁止了蘋果。
Dua duanya mas. Mereka sadar Indonesia pasar besar tapi gak mau bangun pabrik dan lebih parahnya buka toko official aja kaga mau。
兩者都有。他們意識到印度尼西亞是一個大市場，但卻不愿意建立工廠，甚至連開設(shè)官方商店的意愿都沒有。
Apple is asking the Indonesian government to agree to a 50-year tax exemption for their factory in Indonesia. Who in their right mind would agree to that.
蘋果要求印度尼西亞政府同意為其在印度尼西亞的工廠提供50年的免稅。誰會同意這樣的要求呢？
Vietnamese apparently
顯然是越南人。
china, vietnam, india
中國，越南，印度。
because it absorb employee. Thats why other company give a tax free.
因為它吸納了員工。這就是其他公司給予免稅的原因。
i don't think china and india agreed on that. Apple desperately needs india and china, not the other way around. However, I don't know about vietnam.
我認(rèn)為中國和印度并沒有達(dá)成一致。蘋果公司迫切需要印度和中國，而不是反過來。不過，我對越南不太了解。
With or without IPhone 16, nobody in Indonesia is sturving.
無論是否有iPhone 16，印尼沒人會饑餓。
Really When 7 Million Became Jobless And The Number Keeps Increasing
真的，當(dāng)700萬人失業(yè)時，數(shù)字還在不斷增加。
I am not sturving either
我也沒饑餓。
they became jobless NOT because of the absence of IPhone 16.
他們失業(yè)并不是因為沒有iPhone 16。
Well done Indonesia
干得好，印尼。
I actually have no issue with Apple being made to use locally sourced components. If a company as big and profitable as Apple is going to benefit from the large market of a country, it's only fair that the country benefits as well. Good for you, Indonesia.
我實際上對蘋果被要求使用本地采購的組件沒有問題。如果像蘋果這樣大且盈利豐厚的公司能夠從一個國家的大市場中獲益，那么這個國家也理應(yīng)受益。印尼，你們做得好。
And why stop there, Einstein?
那為什么不再進(jìn)一步呢，愛因斯坦？
yuuppz.. setiap tahun Indonesia mengimpor produk Apple sebesar $2 miliar dollar dan kami masih belum memilki Apple store.. sedangkan negara sekecil singapura memiliki 5 apple store.. Benar2 sebuah penghinaan terhadap indonesia.
是的……每年印尼進(jìn)口蘋果產(chǎn)品達(dá)到20億美元，而我們?nèi)匀粵]有蘋果專賣店……而像新加坡這樣的小國卻有5家蘋果專賣店……真是對印尼的羞辱。
ya karna mungkin mereka bebas jual disana tanpa tax, makanya bisa lebih murah. Lagian kalo di survey juga gw yakin lebih banyak produk android yg berkeliaran di indo dari pada iOS, bukan karna gengsi tapi ya realitanya karna di indo hp midrange itu primadona.
是啊，因為他們在那邊銷售時可能不需要繳稅，所以價格會更便宜。而且如果調(diào)查的話，我相信在印尼流通的安卓產(chǎn)品要比iOS多，這不是因為面子問題，而是因為在印尼，中檔手機是最受歡迎的。
hp midrange lebih banyak karena emang pajak iphone disini mahal kalo harganya sama kyk singapura apple pasti udah jadi raja hp.
中檔手機更多是因為這里的iPhone稅太貴，如果價格和新加坡一樣，蘋果肯定會成為手機之王。
ngga akan juga sih gan, secara iphone 15 pro aja 1.5k disana, disini kan pemain utamanya menengah kebawah yg idealnya pengen hp all rounder di range 5-8 jt. Kalo iphone masuk pake harga spore ya masih 16-17jt, Intinya beda target pasar aja sih。
也不一定吧，兄弟，畢竟那里的iPhone 15Pro要1500美元，而這里的主要消費群體是中低端用戶，他們理想中的手機是價位在5到8百萬印尼盾的全能型手機。如果iPhone以新加坡的價格進(jìn)入，可能還要16到17百萬印尼盾，關(guān)鍵是目標(biāo)市場不同。
NO FACTORY IN INDONESIA = NO PRODUCT FOR SELL APPLE
在印尼沒有工廠 = 蘋果就沒有產(chǎn)品可售。
The actions taken by Apple are good. Moreover, yesterday's iPhone 15 sales did not reach 1/8 of the sales volume in Singapore. That means that only a few people in your country can afford an iPhone. What Apple does. To minimize the cost and tax burden on products sold in your country. Apple's sales are also not very good in Indonesia because there are so many poor people, right?
蘋果采取的措施是好的。此外，昨天iPhone 15的銷售量沒有達(dá)到新加坡的八分之一。這意味著在你們國家，只有少數(shù)人能夠負(fù)擔(dān)得起iPhone。蘋果這么做是為了降低在你們國家銷售產(chǎn)品的成本和稅負(fù)。蘋果在印尼的銷售情況也不太好，因為這里有很多窮人，對吧？
what are you talkin bout
你在說什么？
bro indonesia have the largest gdp in asean. Yes the poor is many, but also the rich people. The difference beetwen them is alot
兄弟，印尼在東南亞國家中GDP最大。是的，窮人很多，但富人也不少。他們之間的差距很大。
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Did you even watch the video? It's said iPhone 16 only, not the whole iPhones!
你有看過視頻嗎？視頻中提到的只是iPhone 16，而不是所有iPhone！
even though there's only 10% of indonesian can afford iphone, but 10% of 280 million is 28 million that's more than 5x Singapore population.
即使只有10%的印尼人能買得起iPhone，但280萬的10%是2800萬，這可比新加坡的人口多出5倍。
word "many" and "few" is relative. Also, it depends on what the market wanted. If i want Android, I'd buy Android.
“很多”和“少”是相對的。此外，這也取決于市場的需求。如果我想要安卓手機，我就會買安卓。
Poor?? we have 50 mill people middle classs broo,,,
窮人？？我們有5000萬中產(chǎn)階級，兄弟。
we have 280 mil peoples. if you dont give us a cake, you can't make money in indonesia
我們有2.8億人。如果你不給我們蛋糕，你就無法在印尼賺錢。
Why doesn't apple invest in manufacturing in Indonesia
為什么蘋果不在印尼投資建廠？
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Everyone is for free markets until they want more. Hypocrites.
每個人都支持自由市場，直到他們想要更多。真是偽善。
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Beli saja di Apple Store di Malaysia. Lebih dekat, lebih terjangkau.
直接在馬來西亞的蘋果專賣店買吧。更近，更實惠。
Indonesian will flock to Singapore to purchase iphone. Indonesia will lose the revenue. It is not loss loss situation both Apple and Indonesia.
印尼人會涌向新加坡購買iPhone。印尼將失去收入。這對蘋果和印尼來說都不是雙贏的局面。
loss the revenue? indonesia gov get 150 usd. and android who make factory in indonesia can get former iphone user market!
失去收入？印尼政府能得到150美元。而在印尼建廠的安卓品牌可以獲取之前的iPhone用戶市場！
There's no such free market like what you imagine. Countries also regularly put tariffs against each other to protect their own interest.
并沒有你想象的那種完全自由的市場。各國也會定期對彼此加征關(guān)稅以保護(hù)自己的利益。
Agree, but I did not mean to imply a perfect free market. Of course tariffs, subsidization and import/export restrictions are in play, the cost and benefit of which must be weighed carefully.
我同意，但我并不是想暗示存在完美的自由市場。當(dāng)然，關(guān)稅、補貼和進(jìn)出口限制是不可避免的，成本和收益必須仔細(xì)權(quán)衡。
who say free market? this is my country. and my country has its own regulations. we have a market, and you sell without following the
market owner's regulations?? how could that be possible.
誰說自由市場？這是我的國家。我的國家有自己的法規(guī)。我們有市場，而你在不遵循市場主人的規(guī)則下銷售，怎么可能？
Well rich Indonesians who could afford the iPhone can buy it in Thailand or Hong Kong and much cheaper than local prices.
那些能夠負(fù)擔(dān)得起iPhone的富裕印尼人可以在泰國或香港（特區(qū)）以比當(dāng)?shù)貎r格便宜得多的價格購買。
Iphone should have been banned in the first place. Samsung, xiaomi, oppo, etc have factories in Indonesia but not iphone.
iPhone本來就應(yīng)該被禁止。三星、小米、OPPO等在印尼都有工廠，而iPhone卻沒有。
so Indonesia should ban Apple for not setting up a factory in Indonesia, sounds excessive
所以印尼應(yīng)該禁止蘋果，因為他們沒有在印尼設(shè)立工廠，這聽起來有點過分。
yes, why not? If others can why not iPhone? Are they expecting special treatment just because it's American products? LM
是的，為什么不呢？如果其他公司可以，iPhone為什么不行？難道他們因為是美國產(chǎn)品就期待特別待遇嗎？哈哈。
companies don’t just set factories anywhere, there’s a lot that goes into consideration. Just because Apple doesn’t set a factory in Indonesia doesn’t mean you should cry over it
公司并不是隨便在任何地方設(shè)廠，這里面有很多考慮。僅僅因為蘋果沒有在印尼建廠，并不意味著你應(yīng)該為此感到悲傷。
we dont cry over it.... we Indonesia have rules, not following our rules ? Then no need to sell here.. Indonesia is flooded by smartphones..we dont need apple.
我們并不是為此哭泣……我們印尼有自己的規(guī)則，不遵守我們的規(guī)則？那就不需要在這里銷售……印尼的智能手機市場已經(jīng)飽和，我們并不需要蘋果。
does any of the rules require phone manufacturers to build a factory to sell their phones, i find it unprecedented to ban Apple
這些規(guī)則中有沒有要求手機制造商必須建廠才能銷售手機的？我覺得禁止蘋果是前所未有的。
yes.. duh
是的……當(dāng)然。
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yes, it is
是的，確實如此。
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apple cryied about huawei passing apple 2019 & usa block them saying military reasons but it for get more sales for crapple in usa otherwise crapple is done now in usa too.
蘋果曾抱怨華為在2019年超過他們，而美國以軍事原因阻止華為，但這只是為了在美國獲取更多的銷售，否則蘋果在美國也會完蛋。
Huawei
華為。
why people buy iphones is mind blogging
人們?yōu)槭裁磿IiPhone真是讓人困惑。
If I had to give up iphone, I wish there were other alternatives than android. May be harmony os? but it has yet to be sold globally.
如果我必須放棄iPhone，我希望有其他替代品，而不是安卓。也許是鴻蒙系統(tǒng)？但它還沒有全球銷售。
Buy iPhone after two year’s of using can still sold at good price, but buy Huawie after a year of using sell it is a real joke nobody buy it and they will laugh at you.
購買iPhone兩年后仍然能以好價錢出售，但買華為一年后再出售就真是笑話了，沒人會買，他們會嘲笑你。
Indonesian here, iPhone actually have huge user here. But not as a really good tech to keep with but as accessory to mingle especially on higher ups and Jakarta. You will find a lot of people have debts just for latest Macbook/iPhone/iPad just to get chance ro speak with those that have a lot of connections/money. Some even resort buying very old ones like iPhone 8-11 or buying fake ones just to get mingle chance. Its insane but thats how it is. Same as using european cars vs Japanese/Chinese cars.
我是印尼人，實際上這里有大量的iPhone用戶。但它并不是因為技術(shù)優(yōu)秀，而是作為一種社交配飾，特別是在高層人士和雅加達(dá)。你會發(fā)現(xiàn)很多人為了最新的Macbook/iPhone/iPad而背負(fù)債務(wù)，只為了有機會和那些有很多人脈/錢的人交談。有些人甚至?xí)徺I非常舊的型號，如iPhone 8-11，或者買假貨來獲得社交機會。這種現(xiàn)象令人難以置信，但事實就是如此。就像使用歐洲車和日本/中國車的區(qū)別一樣。
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depends on your country, people who buy old phones are actually fools. No upxes, no security
這取決于你所在的國家，買舊手機的人其實是傻瓜。沒有更新，沒有安全保障。
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you raise a valid point. Personally, I can't picture myself selling any of my phones for an upgrade. But I would buy an old iPhone model over anything if I had to.
你提出了一個合理的觀點。就我個人而言，我無法想象自己會為了升級而出售我的手機。但如果我必須這樣做，我寧愿買一款舊的iPhone。
When we see someone with an iphone, specially older ones bought with extra money paid, we automatically assume the person is a bit dumb and bit of a showoff.
當(dāng)我們看到某人擁有iPhone，特別是那些花額外的錢購買的舊款，我們會自動認(rèn)為這個人有點傻，并且有點炫耀。
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My huawei last four year at only $200. : )
我的華為手機只花了200美元，使用了四年。
that’s means you can’t afford iPhone. Let’s be honest rich people, celebrities and people with are all using iPhone, even celebrities indorse Huawie are using iPhone.
這說明你買不起iPhone。老實說，富人、名人和成功人士都在使用iPhone，甚至代言華為的明星也在用iPhone。
i think it's option that people choose. Perhaps they don't need new phone, or simply because they don't have enough money. I heard some people in India still bought Iphone 6. Food, water, etc are top priorities. Phone can wait tho.
我認(rèn)為這是一種選擇。也許他們并不需要新手機，或者根本沒有足夠的錢。我聽說一些人在印度仍然購買iPhone 6。食物、水等才是最重要的。手機可以稍等。
No fingerprint sensor, no seperate volume for ringer and alarm or volume? Automatically highlights words so f ing annoying. iphones have the worst keyboard implementation. Apple the real dictator.
沒有指紋傳感器，沒有單獨的鈴聲和鬧鐘音量？自動高亮單詞真是煩人。iPhone的鍵盤實現(xiàn)是最差的。蘋果真是個DC者。
I tried all only apple atlast them all. Samsung huawei oppo etc etc. expensive but not easy broke
我嘗試了所有品牌，最后還是選擇了蘋果。三星、華為、OPPO等，雖然貴但不容易壞。
I bought google pixel 8 last year, my old iphone 12 is still better. I am having difficulty selling my pixel, even at half the price, where iphone is very easy to sell.
我去年買了谷歌Pixel 8，但我的舊iPhone 12依然更好。我很難出售我的Pixel，哪怕是以半價，而iPhone則非常容易出售。
For your Information, especially for those who suggest to buy iphone from Singapore, Malaysia, or any country.. If Indonesian people buy mobile phones from abroad, their mobile phones will not be able to be used in Indonesia because their mobile phones will not get any provider signal. unless they register their IMEI and pay taxes which are not cheap. This regulation has been in effect since 5 years ago. That is why you will not find Indonesians in iphone stores in Singapore
提醒一下，特別是那些建議從新加坡、馬來西亞或任何國家購買iPhone的人……如果印尼人從國外購買手機，他們的手機在印尼是無法使用的，因為手機無法獲取任何網(wǎng)絡(luò)信號，除非他們注冊IMEI并繳納不便宜的稅。這項規(guī)定自五年前就已經(jīng)實施了。這就是為什么你在新加坡的iPhone商店里找不到印尼人。
if they can afford iphone 16 they can afford to pay the tax.
如果他們能負(fù)擔(dān)得起iPhone 16，他們就能承擔(dān)稅費。
teknisi HANDPONE hanya tersenyum melihat ini dalam hatinya berkata "rupanya diluar sana belum banyak yg tau apa yg biasa kita lakukan"
手機技術(shù)人員看到這一幕只會微笑，心里想著：“原來外面的人還不知道我們平時做的事情?！?/b>
the taxes is very expensive, almost 20%.. Anyway, only few people that think its worth it.... and Indonesia still benefited from the taxes. So Indonesian govt also dont mind if you buy in singapore hahhaa
稅費非常貴，幾乎要20%……不過，只有少數(shù)人認(rèn)為這值得……而且印尼仍然從中獲益。所以印尼政府也不介意你在新加坡購買，哈哈。
ya bagus, berarti ada pemasukan juga kepada ekonomi Indonesia... Negara dapat pajak, Teknisi handpone dapat pendapatan juga。
是的，這很好，這意味著印尼經(jīng)濟也有收入……國家獲得稅收，手機技術(shù)人員也能得到收入。
who want to pay taxes? The richer the person, the bigger his refusal to pay taxes. That's just basic in every country.
誰想繳稅？越富裕的人，越不愿意交稅。這在任何國家都是基本情況。
US brands ultimately fund Israel through US taxes.
美國品牌最終通過美國稅收資助以色列。