漫威宇宙電影《尚氣》中飾演主演的劉思慕，在中國(guó)文化中被認(rèn)為是丑陋的，在美國(guó)文化中被認(rèn)為是英俊的嗎？
Is Simu Liu, the actor playing Shang-Chi in the new MCU movie, ugly in Chinese culture and handsome American culture?
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Asian celebrities are generally seen as unattractive in Asia.... This is not a China thing.
Because damn Western aesthetics when it comes to looks are too close to racial stereotypes, those "typical racial looks" based on 18th and 19th century bullshit.
Narrow eyes, protruding cheekbones, and square chins are very stereotypical images of Asians, and Western aesthetic trends emphasize and exaggerate these "typical" features. When Asians do not have these "typical" characteristics or these characteristics are not within personal aesthetic preferences, they will be labeled by Westerners as "plastic surgery", "wanting to be white", and "self-abasement". This is why Asians resent modern Western aesthetics of Asians, because this is just Westerners trying to tell Asians what they must "look like" and is an act of racism against Asians.
Based on Simu Liu's appearance alone, he would be considered average in Asia, not handsome. But he doesn’t need to feel bad. Second- and third-generation immigrants like him are usually not as good-looking in the eyes of Asians as their parents and other first-generation immigrants. This may be because they are more Westernized, whether that's because of mannerisms or makeup or whatever.
在亞洲，人們普遍認(rèn)為亞裔明星不好看……這不是中國(guó)的問(wèn)題。
因?yàn)樵撍赖奈鞣綄徝烙^太接近種族刻板印象了，那些基于18、19世紀(jì)胡扯的“典型種族長(zhǎng)相”。
窄眼、突出的顴骨、方下巴，這些都是亞洲人非常典型的形象，西方的審美趨勢(shì)強(qiáng)調(diào)和夸大了這些“典型”特征。當(dāng)亞洲人沒(méi)有這些“典型”特征，或者這些特征不在個(gè)人審美偏好范圍內(nèi)時(shí)，就會(huì)被西方人貼上“整容”、“想變白”、“自卑”的標(biāo)簽。這就是為什么亞洲人反感現(xiàn)代西方對(duì)亞洲人的審美觀，因?yàn)檫@只是西方人試圖告訴亞洲人他們必須“長(zhǎng)得像什么”，是對(duì)亞洲人的種族主義行為。
僅憑劉思慕的長(zhǎng)相，他在亞洲會(huì)被認(rèn)為是普通人，而不是帥哥。但他不需要感到難過(guò)，像他這樣的第二代和第三代移民在亞洲人眼中通常不如他們的父母和其他第一代移民好看。這可能是因?yàn)樗麄兏骰?，無(wú)論是因?yàn)檠孕信e止、妝容還是其他什么原因。
Chinese aesthetics(some examples, mainly not pretty boys):
Similarly, pretty boys are only part of the aesthetic in Japan and Korea but not the whole.
This is why Asians think it is nonsense for Westerners to claim that "Asian favorite stars are not suitable for superhero movies because they are mostly pretty boys."
Japanese aesthetics(some examples, mainly not pretty boys):
與很多答案中的例子不同，花美男只是中國(guó)審美的一種，而不是中國(guó)審美的全部，中國(guó)審美比想象的更加多元，但顯然很多亞裔演員并不屬于中國(guó)審美。
中國(guó)審美（部分例子，主要不是花美男）：
同樣，花美男只是日本和韓國(guó)審美的一部分，而不是全部。
這就是為什么亞洲人認(rèn)為西方人說(shuō)“亞洲人喜歡的明星不適合拍超級(jí)英雄電影，因?yàn)樗麄兇蠖嗍腔滥小笔菬o(wú)稽之談。
日本審美（部分例子，主要不是美男）：
Shun Bot · Jul 13
Whenever I see handsome Chinese men, I can’t help getting a bit angry.
My grandfather was easily better looking than almost all modern Chinese celebrities. Chiseled features, piercing eyes and dark, full eyebrows and a Chad jawline. Dude looked like he was cut out of marble.
My dad isn’t nearly as good looking as my grandfather, and I’m not nearly as good looking as my dad. We also lost 12 cm in height along the way.
每當(dāng)我看到帥氣的中國(guó)男人，我就會(huì)忍不住有點(diǎn)生氣。
我的祖父比幾乎所有現(xiàn)代中國(guó)名人都好看。輪廓分明的五官，銳利的眼睛，濃密的眉毛和粗獷的下巴。他看起來(lái)像大理石雕刻的。
我爸爸遠(yuǎn)不如我祖父好看，我也遠(yuǎn)不如我爸爸好看。一路走來(lái)，我們的身高也矮了 12 厘米。
I don't have anything against actor Simu Liu, but he is definitely not a very handsome actor.
I'll just pick a few Chinese male actors and you'll see the difference.
This type is what China considers handsome.
我對(duì)劉思慕演員沒(méi)有意見(jiàn)，但他絕對(duì)不是一個(gè)非常帥氣的演員。
我隨便挑幾個(gè)中國(guó)男演員，你就會(huì)看到區(qū)別。
這種類型才是中國(guó)人認(rèn)為的帥。
Asian American actors don't look as good as the people walking down the street in China.
Asian actors and actresses in Western movies look really ordinary.
American movies and TV shows have a very small market in China because they are full of black, white, and Latino people, and we Chinese don’t know these people at all.
Apart from video games, other forms of entertainment are difficult to popularize in other countries because the culture is completely different.
亞裔演員的顏值不如中國(guó)街上走的路人。
西方電影里的亞裔演員長(zhǎng)得真的很普通。
美國(guó)電影和電視劇在中國(guó)的市場(chǎng)很小，因?yàn)槔锩嫒呛谌?、白人、拉美裔，我們中?guó)人根本不認(rèn)識(shí)這些人。
除了電子游戲，其他形式的娛樂(lè)在其他國(guó)家很難普及，因?yàn)槲幕耆煌?/b>
Plus if shang-chi was played by a really handsome Chinese actor, you have angry racist men foaming on their mouth when their women folks start swooning over them.
It happened in the 20s with this Japanese actor who was considered the sex icon in Hollywood until Hollywood replace him with Rudolph Valentino cause haven forbid a white woman falls for a non white man
另外，如果尚氣是由一位非常英俊的中國(guó)演員扮演的，那么當(dāng)他們的女人開(kāi)始迷戀他們時(shí)，你會(huì)看到憤怒的種族主義男人口吐白沫。
20 世紀(jì) 20 年代，一位日本演員曾被認(rèn)為是好萊塢的性感偶像，直到好萊塢用魯?shù)婪颉ね邆惖僦Z取代了他，因?yàn)樘焯媒拱兹伺詯?ài)上非白人男性。
Lol. White Americans don’t dare to star good looking Chinese in movies. They can’t afford to. Blacks have already taken their white women.
哈哈，美國(guó)白人不敢讓好看的中國(guó)人出演電影。他們承受不起，黑人已經(jīng)搶走了他們的白人女人。
Why are we racialising the features of superstars? Simu is typical, average guy on the street looking. These actors from China are Chinese, and therefore have Chinese noses: just not typical. It is not “European”. It is like saying all white American women look like Margot Robbie, Lily Rose Depp, Tilda Swinton (none of which are American, but of European descent). These white “European actresses” are atypical, as are these actors from China are, to their respective markets. The white “european descent” typical american equivalent of Simu would be someone like….photo courtesy of Buzzfeed in 2018 What Average American women look like. Mic drop. Boom.
我們?yōu)槭裁匆獙⒊?jí)明星的特征種族化？劉思慕是典型的、長(zhǎng)相普通的路人男人。這些來(lái)自中國(guó)的演員是華人，因此也有中國(guó)人的鼻子：只是不典型。不是“歐洲的”。這就像說(shuō)所有美國(guó)白人女性都長(zhǎng)得像瑪格特·羅比、莉莉-羅絲·德普、蒂爾達(dá)·斯文頓（她們都不是美國(guó)人，而是歐洲血統(tǒng)）。這些白人“歐洲女演員”和這些來(lái)自中國(guó)的演員一樣，對(duì)各自的市場(chǎng)來(lái)說(shuō)都是非典型的。與劉思慕 相對(duì)應(yīng)的典型白人“歐洲血統(tǒng)”美國(guó)人是這樣的...... 照片由 Buzzfeed 于 2018 年提供，普通美國(guó)女性長(zhǎng)什么樣。
Kris Wang· Jul 29
When I found out that the Chinese models appearing in the modeling industry in Europe and the United States were a little strange (brown skin + small eyes), someone reassured me that it was because of the different aesthetic culture. But I'm pretty sure now that they just wanted to highlight Asian features rather than actually think they're beautiful.
當(dāng)我發(fā)現(xiàn)出現(xiàn)在歐美模特界的中國(guó)模特有點(diǎn)奇怪（棕色皮膚+小眼睛）時(shí)，有人安慰我說(shuō)這是因?yàn)閷徝牢幕煌?。但現(xiàn)在我很確定，他們只是想突出亞洲人的特征，而不是真的認(rèn)為這些人很漂亮。
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. In any case, what matter should be the acting skills of the actor and not how good looking he is. Please don’t let acting be reduced into a beauty contest.
情人眼里出西施，不管怎樣，演員的演技才是最重要的，而不是長(zhǎng)得好看不好看。請(qǐng)不要讓演戲淪為選美比賽。
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Chinese beauty standards emphasize: lighter skin tone, more angular chin, less broad nose but higher nasal bridge, double eyelids, and also sharp angular eyebrows. This applies to men and women.
中國(guó)人的審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)強(qiáng)調(diào)：膚色較白、下巴棱角分明、鼻梁不寬但鼻翼較高、雙眼皮、眉毛棱角分明。男女皆宜。
I don’t get the controversy.
First of all Marvel has an miracle tendency of picking actors and actresses just before they peak. Everyone talks about Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth and Robert Downey Jr. as A-list stars but they were virtually unknowns or cast-offs before they were casted as Marvel super heroes. Elizabeth Olsen was just simply “the other Olsen sister”. Wasn’t Chris Pratt the fat guy from Parks and Rec?
Meanwhile Marvel casted one of the most popular actor from the one of the most popular shows in Canada. An actor who plays the role of the heartthrob that all of the women in the show want to sleep with but for some reason other users will post photos of him like above and then complain about how disrespectful Marvel is for casting an ugly actor who will make American women squirm in disgust?
Maybe he has freckles or something.
Simu Liu is pretty handsome by Western standards. We know because he is constantly shirtless and all of the women in Kim’s Convenience are trying to sleep with him.
Meanwhile, if we’re going to talk about finding a gold vein, casting Awkwafina couldn’t come at a better moment for the MCU. Sure she isn’t conventionally beautiful but since the announcement of her casting in July 2019, she has become one of the marketable Asian American stars.
我不明白為什么會(huì)有爭(zhēng)議。
首先，漫威有一種神奇的傾向，就是在演員達(dá)到巔峰之前就挑選他們。每個(gè)人都在談?wù)摽死锼埂ぐＮ乃?、克里斯·海姆斯沃斯和小羅伯特·唐尼，他們是一線明星，但在他們被選為漫威超級(jí)英雄之前，他們幾乎都是無(wú)名小卒或被拋棄的。伊麗莎白·奧爾森只是“另一個(gè)奧爾森姐妹”?？死锼埂て绽夭皇恰豆珗@與游憩》里的胖子嗎？
與此同時(shí)，漫威選擇了加拿大最受歡迎的節(jié)目之一中最受歡迎的演員之一。一個(gè)扮演萬(wàn)人迷角色的演員，節(jié)目中的所有女性都想與之共度良宵，但不知何故，其他用戶會(huì)像上面那樣發(fā)布他的照片，然后抱怨漫威是多么不尊重，選了一個(gè)丑陋的演員，讓美國(guó)女性厭惡地扭動(dòng)？
也許他有雀斑什么的。
劉思慕以西方的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)來(lái)看相當(dāng)帥氣。我們知道這一點(diǎn)，因?yàn)樗偸浅嗦闵仙恚督鹗媳憷辍罚幽么笄榫跋矂。├锏乃信硕枷牒退X(jué)。
與此同時(shí)，如果我們要談?wù)搶ふ医鸬V，那么選角奧卡菲娜對(duì)漫威宇宙來(lái)說(shuō)再合適不過(guò)了。當(dāng)然，她不是傳統(tǒng)意義上的美女，但自 2019 年 7 月宣布選角以來(lái)，她已成為極具市場(chǎng)價(jià)值的亞裔美國(guó)明星之一。
Yeah, Feige has an incredible knack for identifying future stars at a point where he can get them to sign contracts for not that much: I think Evans made like $300k for Captain America.
是的，費(fèi)奇(漫威影業(yè)總裁)有著令人難以置信的天賦，能夠發(fā)現(xiàn)未來(lái)的明星，并且他可以讓他們簽署不那么貴的合同：我認(rèn)為一開(kāi)始美國(guó)隊(duì)長(zhǎng)這個(gè)角色只為埃文斯賺了 30 萬(wàn)美元。
In what multiverse is that guy “ugly”?
在哪個(gè)多元宇宙中那個(gè)家伙是“丑陋的”？
Current East Asian beauty trends shun highly angular, square faces on both men and women; high cheekbones, strong jaw, (i.e. all the traits that make bank in high fashion in the west) etc. in favor of strong neoteny like small mouths, petite facial bones, pale childlike skin, non-prominent cheeks etc.
當(dāng)今東亞的審美趨勢(shì)是，無(wú)論男女，都不喜歡棱角分明的方形臉；高顴骨、尖下巴（即西方高級(jí)時(shí)裝秀中常見(jiàn)的所有特征）等，而且喜歡幼態(tài)的臉型，如小嘴、小臉骨、白皙的童真皮膚、不突出的臉頰等。
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It’s not “current” the “gonzi” (aristocratic childe) look was a thing for at least a couple of centuries. Even in Chinese novels such as Dream of Red Mansion (written in 1755) the main male protagonist Jia BaoYu was described as a beauty with delicate feature and a face that seems almost powdered. And if you take a look at old Chinese films, any film that requires a romantic hero, the male protagonist is a pretty boy with delicate features. Some examples:
The reason is due to the superstimulus that the aristocratic gong zi were men who behaved gentle, civilized and well educated, as oppose to men who were violent barbarian brutes that appear overly masculine. The gonzis tend to have delicate almost feminine features because they were nobles who stayed indoors most of the time. In fact in Europe there was a similar movement (that’s where the term “gentlemen” came from) but in Asia the stimulus was larger
“公子” (貴族公子) 的外表至少流行了幾個(gè)世紀(jì)，劉這種并不“流行”。即使是在《紅樓夢(mèng)》（寫于 1755 年）等中國(guó)小說(shuō)中，男主角賈寶玉也被描述為一位五官精致、面容幾乎涂了粉的漂亮人物。如果你看看中國(guó)的老電影，任何需要浪漫英雄的電影，男主角都是一個(gè)五官精致的漂亮男孩。一些例子：
原因是由于貴族公子是舉止溫文爾雅、文明有教養(yǎng)的男人，而不是那些看起來(lái)過(guò)于男性化的野蠻暴君，這種刺激是超強(qiáng)的。公子往往具有精致的近乎女性化的外貌，因?yàn)樗麄兪谴蠖鄶?shù)時(shí)間都呆在家里的貴族。事實(shí)上，在歐洲也有類似的運(yùn)動(dòng)（“紳士”一詞就是從那里來(lái)的），但在亞洲，這種刺激更大。
by Chinese celebrity standards he would be considered quite ugly. I’m a Chinese American and even when I saw that he was cast I was wincing like heck. And if I saw him in real life I wouldn’t really consider him “handsome” either. He’d just be maybe above average.
按照中國(guó)明星的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)，他算是相當(dāng)丑的。我是一名美籍華人，即使看到他被選中，我還是會(huì)皺眉頭。如果我在現(xiàn)實(shí)生活中看到他，我也不會(huì)認(rèn)為他“帥”。他可能只是高于平均水平。
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I was thinking at first that this was just some overblown story that is highlighting a few random idiots on Twitter. Especially after the “Gen Z wants to cancel Eminem’ nonsense. I’m actually surprised that this could be true as they went out and asked questions to people in Beijing.
It could still be cherry picked I guess, but I’m surprised there was a controversy in media that is actually a controversy rather than something heavily exaggerated.
我一開(kāi)始以為這只是一個(gè)夸大其詞的故事，在推特上表現(xiàn)突出的幾個(gè)隨機(jī)的白癡言論。特別是在“Z 世代想要封殺埃米納姆”的胡言亂語(yǔ)之后，我真的很驚訝這可能是真的，因?yàn)樗麄兂鋈ハ虮本┑娜颂釂?wèn)。
我想這仍然可以是精心挑選的，但我很驚訝媒體上出現(xiàn)了一場(chǎng)真正的爭(zhēng)議，而不是夸大其詞的事情。
Sam (舢艒) Felton
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I’ve watched most of Kim’s Convenience and, while I think the writing went a little downhill after the end of the 2nd season, I nonetheless appreciate most of the cast. I think Simu Liu is an excellent comedic actor with spot-on timing and a very believable on-screen persona. From Korean friends I’ve heard that they thought he did a reasonable job of portraying a Korean Canadian.
So, my daughter and son-in-law are Marvel fans. They took us to the Shang Chi movie. I already wanted to go, because three of the cast members are actors that I’ve liked for a long time (Leung Chiu Wai, Michelle Yeoh and Ben Kingsley), and because I’d heard that it portrayed subjects found in the 山海經(jīng) (I have a copy of this that my wife picked up last time we were in Shanghai in 2018).
是的，我是那種奇怪的人，當(dāng)演員出現(xiàn)在舞臺(tái)或屏幕上時(shí)，我才不在乎我是否愿意和他們睡覺(jué)——我只關(guān)心他們是否擅長(zhǎng)自己的工作。
我看過(guò)《金氏便利店》的大部分內(nèi)容，雖然我認(rèn)為第二季結(jié)束后劇本有點(diǎn)走下坡路，但我仍然欣賞大部分演員。我認(rèn)為劉思慕是一位出色的喜劇演員，時(shí)機(jī)把握得恰到好處，銀幕形象非?？尚?。我從韓國(guó)朋友那里聽(tīng)說(shuō)，他們認(rèn)為他很好地刻畫了韓裔加拿大人。
所以，我的女兒和女婿是漫威粉絲。他們帶我們?nèi)タ戳恕渡袣狻愤@部電影。我已經(jīng)想去看了，因?yàn)槠渲腥谎輪T都是我喜歡了很久的演員（梁朝偉、楊紫瓊和本·金斯利），而且我聽(tīng)說(shuō)這部電影描繪了《山海經(jīng)》中的故事（我有一本，是我妻子在 2018 年我們上次去上海時(shí)買的）。
I’ll be frank - Simu Liu may not be the handsomest guy in the world - but that really doesn’t matter, especially for this role. He was supposed to be this character that was a sort-of Chinese everyman, raised to be a killer by his mercenary father - and his acting chops showed as he attempted to work-through his past and came to grips with his future.
Let’s just say, he succeeded in this role and my family and I all were impressed. I will be watching for future stuff that he’s in - whether it’s in the MCU or not.
And even if I were gay, I still wouldn’t want to sleep with him.
劉思慕在學(xué)習(xí)這部電影所需的打斗編排方面做得非常出色。我對(duì)這部電影總體上很滿意，尤其是劉思慕的角色。我從《摘金奇緣》開(kāi)始就喜歡奧卡菲娜，她在這部電影中也沒(méi)有讓我失望。我認(rèn)為她是出色的銀幕搭檔（她的喜劇節(jié)奏也恰到好處）。
坦白說(shuō)，劉思慕可能不是世界上最帥的男人，但這真的不重要，尤其是對(duì)于這個(gè)角色來(lái)說(shuō)。他應(yīng)該是一個(gè)普通的中國(guó)男人，被他那雇傭兵父親培養(yǎng)成殺手，當(dāng)他試圖解決過(guò)去并面對(duì)未來(lái)時(shí)，他的演技就展現(xiàn)出來(lái)了。
可以說(shuō)，他成功地扮演了這個(gè)角色，我和我的家人都印象深刻。我會(huì)關(guān)注他未來(lái)的作品——不管是在漫威宇宙還是其他。
但即使我是同性戀，我也不想和他睡覺(jué)。
I believe so, though this is perfectly acceptable. Chinese and American’s have different definition of beauty. I remember an example cited in previous years.
我相信是的，雖然這完全可以接受。中國(guó)人和美國(guó)人對(duì)美的定義不同。我記得前幾年舉過(guò)一個(gè)例子。
Ms Lucy Liu is possibly one of the most well-known Chinese American actresses in Hollywood. When I was younger, I remembered some Chinese audiences did similarly criticise her appearance, but some American audiences commented she has an exotic, fierce and confident look.
Personally, I do feel Lucy Liu has a very unique appearance and her roles were cast to emphasize her trait, which were undoubted very successful roles.
As for Liu Simu, I would agree he is not physically attractive from a Chinese point of view, but far from “ugly.” As some other commentators have said, I think he looks a little similar to Wu Jing. In fact, since he is cast for Shang-Chi, a martial art themed superhero, being too physically attractive mightrt of actually make him unrealistic.
劉玉玲女士可能是好萊塢最知名的華裔女演員之一。我記得小時(shí)候，一些中國(guó)觀眾也批評(píng)過(guò)她的長(zhǎng)相，但一些美國(guó)觀眾則評(píng)論說(shuō)她有一種異國(guó)情調(diào)、兇猛和自信的外表。
就我個(gè)人而言，我確實(shí)覺(jué)得劉玉玲的外表非常獨(dú)特，她的角色也突出了她的特質(zhì)，這些角色無(wú)疑是非常成功的角色。
至于劉思慕，我同意從中國(guó)人的角度來(lái)看他并不具有吸引力，但也遠(yuǎn)非“丑陋”。正如其他一些評(píng)論者所說(shuō)，我認(rèn)為他看起來(lái)有點(diǎn)像吳京。事實(shí)上，由于他出演的是武術(shù)主題的超級(jí)英雄電影《尚氣》，過(guò)于有吸引力實(shí)際上可能會(huì)讓他顯得不切實(shí)際。
What I am a little uncertain though, is that he is completely unknown to most of the Chinese cinema fan base. This may be a huge turn-off more so than his looks. But it's too early to doubt him, as there have been many unknowns who played their first role to critical acclaim, including the legendary performance of Christopher Reeve's Superman.
EDIT: Thanks for the upvotes and comments!
Some people have asked what sort of guys would be considered handsome in Chinese culture, so I decided to ask the missus. She gave one candidate for the 20–30, 30–40, 40–50 and 50–60 age division. They are…
不過(guò)，我有點(diǎn)不確定的是，他對(duì)于大多數(shù)中國(guó)電影迷來(lái)說(shuō)完全不為人知。這可能比他的長(zhǎng)相更令人反感。但現(xiàn)在懷疑他還為時(shí)過(guò)早，因?yàn)橐呀?jīng)有許多無(wú)名小卒首次出演便獲得評(píng)論界一致好評(píng)，包括克里斯托弗·里夫飾演"超人"的傳奇表演
編輯：感謝點(diǎn)贊和評(píng)論！
有人問(wèn)過(guò)什么樣的男人在中國(guó)文化中會(huì)被認(rèn)為是帥哥，所以我決定問(wèn)問(wèn)老婆。她給出了 20-30、30-40、40-50 和 50-60 歲年齡段的候選人。他們是……
David Yu
I think the problem is the talent pool is too shallow.
Cap and Thor are both handsome.
So out of a bunch of good looking actor, they could pick two.
The Asian pool is smaller.
我認(rèn)為問(wèn)題在于人才庫(kù)太淺了。
美隊(duì)和托爾都很帥。所以在一群好看的演員中，他們可以選這兩個(gè)。
而亞洲人才庫(kù)比較小。
I remember I saw a funny vid on Weibo. A fangirl literally left the theater in tears, saying “Thor is fat now! I can't even look at him! I wish Thanos actually killed him!” Her friend then started comforting her.
我記得在微博上看到一個(gè)搞笑的視頻，一個(gè)女粉絲哭著離開(kāi)了影院，說(shuō)“雷神現(xiàn)在胖了！我都不敢看他了！真希望滅霸真的殺了他！”她的朋友開(kāi)始安慰她。
I’m Chinese.
I wouldn’t say Simu Liu is ugly. But he sure is not good looking to most Chinese netizens either.
However, the actor of Mandarin, Tony Leung Chiu Wei has been considered one of the most good looking people in China for years, maybe even decades.
One more thing, Chinese netizens like to call good looking girls “Goddesses”(女神), there’s a male version of it too “男神”. I can’t figure out an appropriate translation, but you’ll get it.
When Chinese netizens use the word “男神”, this Chinese American actor/director/producer is referred to very often.
我是中國(guó)人。
我不會(huì)說(shuō)劉思慕丑，但他在大多數(shù)中國(guó)網(wǎng)民眼中肯定也不好看。
然而，中國(guó)演員梁朝偉多年來(lái)甚至幾十年來(lái)一直被認(rèn)為是中國(guó)最帥的人之一。
還有一件事，中國(guó)網(wǎng)民喜歡稱呼好看的女孩為“女神”，也有男性版的“男神”。我想不出合適的翻譯，但你會(huì)明白的。
當(dāng)中國(guó)網(wǎng)民使用“男神”這個(gè)詞時(shí)，經(jīng)常會(huì)提到這位美籍華裔演員/導(dǎo)演/制片人。
His name is Daniel Wu 吳彥祖. Star of AMC’s Into the Badlands. He also played a few roles in Hollywood movies too, like Lu Ren in Tomb Raider 2018, Gul’dan in Warcraft. Considered one of the most handsome men by Chinese netizens.
Here’s another well known Chinese actor John Lone 尊龍.
他的名字是吳彥祖。AMC 的《荒原》的主演。他也在好萊塢電影中扮演過(guò)一些角色，比如《古墓麗影 2018》中的陸仁，《魔獸世界》中的古爾丹。被中國(guó)網(wǎng)民認(rèn)為是最帥的男人之一。
這是另一位著名的中國(guó)演員尊龍。
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He was voted one of the 50 Most Beautiful People of the Year by People Magazine in 1990.[1] He played Puyi in The Last Emperor, Joey Tai in Year of the Dragon, and Song Liling in M. Butterfly.
I think John Lone is a very good example of Chinese and American having a common(similar, at least) taste for the appearance of men. And I don’t think Marvel cast Simu Liu because they think he is a good looking man. Simu Liu just looks more stereotypical. They cast Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson as Caucasian leading characters(These two are beautiful AF, let’s be honest). But when it comes to a Chinese leading character, they pick a stereotypical one. Think about it.
However, as a Chinese, I will never go to the cinema or rent a DVD for Shang-Chi. And I’ve watched every MCU movie in the cinema since 2012, the year The Avengers was released. I have nothing against Simu Liu. It’s all about the Shang-Chi character and the stories. The stories about Shang-Chi are just insulting to us Chinese people and our ancestors.
BTW, when a native English speaker tries to pronounce “Shang-Chi”, it always sounds like 疝氣 in Chinese, which means hernia. The pronunciation of Shang-Chi(上氣) in Mandarin is more like “Shawn Chi”. And the meaning of Shang-Chi(上氣) in Chinese is “being angry” or “getting angry”, not “rising chi”.
1990 年，他被《人物》雜志評(píng)選為年度 50 位最美麗的人之一。他在《末代皇帝》中飾演溥儀，在《龍年》中飾演戴宗，在《蝴蝶君》中飾演宋麗玲。
我認(rèn)為尊龍很好地詮釋了中國(guó)人和美國(guó)人對(duì)男人外表有共同（至少是相似的）品味。我不認(rèn)為漫威選擇劉思慕是因?yàn)樗麄冋J(rèn)為他長(zhǎng)得好看。劉思慕只是長(zhǎng)得更典型。他們讓克里斯·埃文斯和斯嘉麗·約翰遜扮演白人主角（說(shuō)實(shí)話，這兩個(gè)人都很漂亮）。但當(dāng)談到中國(guó)主角時(shí)，他們卻選了一個(gè)典型的。想想看。
然而，作為一個(gè)中國(guó)人，我永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)去電影院或租 DVD 看《尚氣》。自 2012 年《復(fù)仇者聯(lián)盟》上映以來(lái)，我在電影院看過(guò)每一部漫威電影。我對(duì)劉思慕?jīng)]有任何意見(jiàn)，討論都只是關(guān)于尚氣里的角色和故事的。而尚氣的故事只是對(duì)我們中國(guó)人和我們祖先的侮辱。
順便說(shuō)一句，當(dāng)一個(gè)以英語(yǔ)為母語(yǔ)的人試圖發(fā)音“尚氣”時(shí)，它總是聽(tīng)起來(lái)像中文里的疝氣，意思是疝氣。普通話中上氣的發(fā)音更像是“Shawn Chi”。而上氣在中文里的意思是“生氣”或“發(fā)怒”，而不是“氣上升”。
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I don’t think Simu Liu is “Ugly”, but I don’t think he fits the definition of “handsome” in America.
And I am absolutely 101% certain, without a doubt, willing-to-bet-my-house-on-it-AND-face-the-innumerable-demons-of-Hell that he doesn’t meet Chinese/East Asian male beauty standards.
This man fits Chinese male beauty standards:
Simu Liu doesn’t.
While Simu Liu’s lack of physical comeliness certainly won’t be an impediment to the acting side of things, I fear one thing:
That American / Western audiences who are unfamiliar with East Asian male beauty standards will take one look at him and go: “See. I knew all Chinese/Asian men were ugly.”
我不認(rèn)為劉思慕“丑”，但我不認(rèn)為他符合美國(guó)對(duì)“帥”的定義。
我百分之百地肯定，毫無(wú)疑問(wèn)，我愿意賭上我的房子，并面對(duì)無(wú)數(shù)的地獄惡魔，他不符合中國(guó)/東亞男性的審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。
這個(gè)男人符合??中國(guó)男性的審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)：
劉思慕不符合。
雖然劉思慕缺乏外表美感肯定不會(huì)成為表演方面的障礙，但我擔(dān)心一件事：
不熟悉東亞男性審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的美國(guó)/西方觀眾會(huì)看一眼他，然后說(shuō)：“看，我就知道所有中國(guó)/亞洲男人都很丑?！?/b>
That, and anyone who appreciates Chinese / East Asian male beauty standards would be a little disappointed that they wouldn’t getting eye-candy in the film.
I am an eternal optimist with a pessimistic side.
And the above is my pessimistic side speaking.
我認(rèn)為這不會(huì)影響電影的票房——畢竟這是漫威宇宙——也不會(huì)影響電影的整體成功，但肯定會(huì)產(chǎn)生涓滴效應(yīng)，影響所有生活和工作在白人為主的國(guó)家的中國(guó)/東亞男性。（如果你明白我的意思，被貼上“丑”的標(biāo)簽可不是什么好事）我的意思是，我們?cè)诖笃聊簧峡吹降南裎覀冞@樣的男演員太少了——世界各地的人們都傾向于根據(jù)他們對(duì)媒體的消費(fèi)來(lái)做出判斷。
此外，任何欣賞中國(guó)/東亞男性審美標(biāo)準(zhǔn)的人都會(huì)有點(diǎn)失望，因?yàn)樗麄冊(cè)陔娪爸袥](méi)有得到養(yǎng)眼的演員。
我是一個(gè)永遠(yuǎn)的樂(lè)觀主義者，也有悲觀的一面。
以上是我悲觀的一面。
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I don't think he is ugly or handsome in either culture and looks tend not to be quite the same predictor for success with male actors unlike female actors. No, he is not stunningly handsome but he does have a great physique and has a rather charming, charismatic manner about him. He seems to have built up a fanbase of mainly non-asian ladies (and some men) who find him attractive.
I am continually confused as to why so many westerners find men such as Bradley Cooper, Tom Hiddleston and Benedict Cumberbatch so handsome when I find them to be very unattractive. They certainly don't match up to the attractiveness of Andy Lau, Chow Yun Fat or Aaron Kwok in their prime.
我認(rèn)為他在這兩種文化中都不算丑或帥，而且與女演員不同，外貌往往不是男演員成功的預(yù)測(cè)因素。不，他并不是英俊得驚人，但他的體格很好，而且舉止迷人、魅力十足。他似乎已經(jīng)建立了一個(gè)主要由非亞洲女性（和一些男性）組成的粉絲群，她們覺(jué)得他很有魅力。
我一直很困惑，為什么這么多西方人認(rèn)為布萊德利·庫(kù)珀、湯姆·希德勒斯頓和本尼迪克特·康伯巴奇這樣的男人很帥，而我覺(jué)得他們很沒(méi)有吸引力。他們肯定比不上劉德華、周潤(rùn)發(fā)或郭富城巔峰時(shí)期的吸引力。
Ultimately I'm not sure why anyone in the west cares what China's citizens think about stars in certain films, a lot of Hollywood blockbusters bomb in China anyway because it's a completely different culture with different tastes. The citizens of China certainly do not tend to care if Chinese films are big in the west or not.
With this film I'm far more worried about the possible dent in the reputation of Tony Leung for agreeing to take on the historically offensive role of the Mandarin. I only hope he does have the power to change the character in the film.
但在中國(guó)，對(duì)于特定角色，尤其是像《尚氣》這樣的動(dòng)作片，外貌并不總是受到重視。我認(rèn)識(shí)的任何人都不會(huì)認(rèn)為成龍或洪金寶曾經(jīng)很帥，但這并沒(méi)有阻止他們成為巨星。
最終，我不確定為什么西方人會(huì)關(guān)心中國(guó)公民對(duì)某些電影明星的看法，很多好萊塢大片在中國(guó)都遭遇慘敗，因?yàn)檫@是一種完全不同的文化，有不同的品味。中國(guó)公民當(dāng)然不關(guān)心中國(guó)電影在西方是否受歡迎。
對(duì)于這部電影，我更擔(dān)心梁朝偉同意出演“滿大人”這個(gè)具有歷史攻擊性的角色可能會(huì)損害他的聲譽(yù)。我只希望他真的有能力改變電影中的角色。
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