巴基斯坦網(wǎng)友看J10-C，今天是我人生中最好的一天！
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That is so beautiful. Ma Shaa Allah. Alhumdulillah
太美了??！
Reichsmarschall said:
Fresh new footage of J10CP
Why have they not yet received the tail markings of their respective squadron?
J10CP的新鏡頭
為什么他們還沒有收到各自中隊的尾標？
What helmet is that in the video? Any idea?
Yes, that's the TK-31 light-weight helmet
視頻里那個是什么頭盔？有誰知道嗎？
我知道，是TK-31輕型頭盔
I'm not sure about the mask and even lesser on calling it a rip-off since most these items look similar.
Anyway the helmet is called TK-31 and is the standard PLA light-weight helmet in use for nearly all types including the J-20, J-15, J-11 and J-10C.
我不太確定這個頭盔的具體型號，更別說它是不是騙人的，因為這些東西看起來都差不多。
無論如何，這種頭盔被稱為TK-31，是標準的PLA輕型頭盔，用于包括J-20、J-15、J-11和J-10C在內(nèi)的幾乎所有類型。
Does it have hmd/jhmcs capability?
它具有hmd/jhmcs功能嗎？（頭盔顯示器）
I guess no. However i maybe wrong
我想沒有這個功能。不過我也可能錯了
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Yes,but pilots usually wear a light-wheight helmet when it's unnecessary.
也許沒有，但飛行員在不必要的時候，通常會戴輕型頭盔。
So these are pl-15E with reduces range of 145km..
這些是pl-15E，射程縮短到145公里……難過表情
PL15 won't be displayed openly like pl15e. Rest assured, sufficient stocks of pl15 are there too.
PL15不會像pl15e那樣公開展示。請放心，那里也有足夠的pl15庫存。
Have we ever displayed our full capability before? No. Let's say we are getting 100 pl15s missiles package. 50 will be pl15E remaining 50 will be pl15.
我們以前展示過我們的全部能力嗎？不，假設(shè)我們得到了100枚pl15s導彈。50個將是pl15E，剩下的50個將是pl15。
Also it's unclear whether that 'E' is supposed to be part of the following code or represent 'export'.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
也不清楚這個“E”是應該是標識的一部分，還是代表“出口”的意思。
我想我們只能耐心等著看了。
4x PL-15E Per ship is quite significant fire power in BVR domain.
每架飛機裝載4枚PL-15E，在超視距領(lǐng)域是相當重要的火力。
The racks seem to be newly designed.
這些導彈發(fā)射架子似乎是新設(shè)計的。
you see 4 PL15s, I see 4 dead rafales.
by the way, those look like regular flight helmets, not HMDs...
你看到4架PL15s，但我卻看到4架死亡的陣風。
順便說一下，那些看起來像普通的飛行頭盔，而不是頭盔顯示器……
Any pictures of the helmet walk? People are talking about it but no pic so far on at least the last 3-4 pages.
有頭盔閱兵的照片嗎？人們一直在談論它，但是至少在最后討論的3-4頁新消息上還沒有看到圖片。
Which missiles we got then? PL-15? or something esle?
我們有哪些導彈？PL-15？還是別的什么？
Yes these same missiles pl15s or SD10B.
這些導彈是pl15s或SD10B。
So you mean SD-10A is PL-12 ... and SD-10B is PL15, right?
所以你的意思是SD-10A是PL-12……而SD-10B就是PL15吧？
Congratulations to Pakistan Airforce for this excellent timely purchase. It's been a long wait. J-10 nay bohat wait karwaya bhaiyoo. I hope this combination of medium and light weight fighter planes would become more lethal to maitain our strategic balance. So proud of our men in blue.
祝賀巴基斯坦空軍這次出色及時的采購。我已經(jīng)等了很久了。
我希望這種中型和輕型戰(zhàn)斗機的組合，會讓我們的戰(zhàn)略威懾變得更加致命。為我們的藍天戰(zhàn)士感到驕傲。
Wow… what a day, and I am still at school
哇……多么美好的一天，我還在學校
Good.. No Martin Baker ejection seat!
One targeting pod and one jammer can still carry at main body fuselage, together with two 185kg laser guided bomb....
很棒……可惜沒有馬丁·貝克彈射座椅！
不過仍然可以在主體機身攜帶一個瞄準吊艙和一個干擾機，連同兩個185公斤激光制導炸彈……
Its a great day for PAF and Pakistan...But this just gives imperial Tie fighter vibes
這是巴基斯坦空軍和巴基斯坦偉大的一天……因為這帶來了帝國的武力榮耀
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i really like dual rack PL-15 demonstration today. just imagine how are they running lungi utha k,
28 guests and we say: "jee ayaan nu"
我非常喜歡今天的雙發(fā)PL-15演示，想象一下它們發(fā)射出去的感覺。
Pm pilot Khan lol. Deadly combination this machine and Pakistani pilots.
這架戰(zhàn)機和巴基斯坦飛行員將是致命組合。
Anyone know what engines they came with?
有人知道他們用的是什么引擎嗎？
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Can the inner pylon of J10c mount dual rack for 2PL15? I only saw laser bombs and fuel tanks on it.
J10c的內(nèi)置掛架可以為PL15掛載雙發(fā)嗎？我只在上面看到了激光炸彈和油箱。
So, anyone who was following PAF... in the 90s.. can you believe your eyes today? =)
所以，任何關(guān)注巴基斯坦空軍的人……從90年代開始……你能相信今天自己的眼睛嗎？
Da Afreen, per thora Naswar miley gi.
一個真正的朋友。
kursed said:
So, anyone who was following PAF... in the 90s.. can you believe your eyes today? =)
i'm the one ...
i was first mesmerized by mirages in the seventies when first saw them flying low over the compound of our house.
then eighties with F-16 induction.
and then nervous nineties came ... and we all feel the heat.
i would say, today PAF going in full swing to bear fruit on several fronts undergoing in air and space domain.
this is our day.
我就是你說的那個人……
我第一次被戰(zhàn)斗機迷住是在70年代，當時我第一次看到它們在我家大院上空低飛。
然后八十年代迷上F-16。
然后緊張的九十年代來了……我們都感受到了戰(zhàn)斗機的熱度。
我想說，今天，巴基斯坦空軍正如火如荼地在航空和航天領(lǐng)域的幾個方面取得成果。
這是屬于我們的一天。
Hi Deino any idea how many Months of training for a pilot to be trained for j10
looks Like PAF is getting trained on Chinese j10s before 2022
if possible to answer
thank you
嗨，Deino，你知道一個飛行員要為j10單獨訓練幾個月嗎？
看起來巴基斯坦空軍在2022年之前就接受完了中國j10的訓練
如果可能的話，請你回答我的疑問
謝謝你
General Sahib, how about a trip to Delhi.
將軍，去趟德里怎么樣？
Congratulations for the successful induction of beautiful birds, best wishes!:pakistanchina:
恭喜如此美麗的鳥成功入職，祝福！巴基斯坦和中國搖旗！
That green HUD literally push me to go to the washroom for something ... --------------SEXYYYYYYYYYYYYYY baby
那個綠色（天藍色吧？）的機體真的會讓我去洗手間……超超超超級性感的寶貝！
Bro, are you guys able to find out the maximum power of the ws10AorB engine on J10CP? 132kn or 140kn? It's still a mystery for Chinese Militray fan and have been debating it for past 10 years.
Please help us. :cheesy:
兄弟，你們能找出J10CP上ws10A或者B發(fā)動機的最大功率嗎？132kn還是140kn？對于中國的軍事迷來說，這也仍然是一個謎，并且已經(jīng)爭論了10年。
請幫助我們。
THE RAFALE RIPPER.
陣風開膛手。
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miss you F16...
F16，我們會想你的……
What an AMAZING start to my day
我今天有了一個多么驚人的美好開始
Oh yara, there are countries in better economic shape than us who are still inducting F-16s, Grippen and Rafales which are a lot more expensive, we needed to replace the Mirages and also something with a big stick... This was the best option.
F-16s aren't going anywhere. In fact it were F-16s which escorted the J-10s into Pakistan.
哦，亞拉，有些國家的經(jīng)濟狀況比我們好，他們?nèi)匀灰恢痹谝MF-16，Grippen和陣風，這些都要貴得多，我們需要替換幻影和一些大塊頭……J10C是最好的選擇。
而且f-16不會去任何地方。事實上是F-16護送J-10進入巴基斯坦。
Can J-10C carry PL-21 and any possibility of PL-21 integration in future?
J-10C能攜帶PL-21嗎？將來有沒有整合PL-21的可能性？
Recent inductions J10Cs, TB2 & CH4B UCAVs, HQ9B SAMs, AIP Yuan Class, Milgem & Type 054A/P, YLC8E VHF radars, establishing C4ISR ISTAR CC for COIN Ops. I mean….
btw ye koi mazak horaha thay matlab free may yaa loan pe b koi nahe daysakhta even China b nahe.... To FBR pata karwaoo ye paisa kahan say araha hey lol ....
damn formidable force. Apart from non-conventional, Pakistan now has enough capabilities in kinetic warfare (conventional) to hit any country anytime anywhere whosoever in its range.
最近引進的J10Cs，TB2 & CH4B無人作戰(zhàn)飛機，HQ9B地對空導彈，AIP，Milgem 和054A，YLC8E高頻雷達，建立了用于COIN Ops的C4ISR ISTAR CC。我的意思是…
這段看不懂！
這些是一種可怕的力量。除了非常規(guī)武器，巴基斯坦現(xiàn)在擁有足夠的動能戰(zhàn)(常規(guī))能力，可以在任何時間、任何地點、任何人的射程范圍內(nèi)打擊任何國家。
+ SH15 artillery, VT4 tank, Yarmook Class OPV, additional Erieyes, and Z10ME in pipeline.
還要加上 SH15火炮，VT4坦克，Yarmook級OPV，額外的Erieyes，以及正在計劃中的Z10ME。
A while ago I saw an Indian comparing MK2 with J10C and SU30 with J20 even claimed SU30 can see J20. Hilarious!
The Indian government has turned a blind eye to the overwhelming military and tactical advantage India enjoys over China in Ladakh and Ti... region.
前陣子，我看到一個印度人比較MK2和J10C，SU30和J20，甚至聲稱SU30可以看到J20。爆笑！
還有印度政府對他們印度在拉達克和中國西藏地區(qū)享有的壓倒性軍事和戰(zhàn)術(shù)優(yōu)勢視而不見，竟然沒有大范圍宣傳。
譯注：以下為印度人評論轉(zhuǎn)載
Taking all these factors India looks stronger than china.
與中國的J-20相比，印度空軍最強的戰(zhàn)斗機是MKI的蘇霍伊30。當殲20吹噓它的隱形性能時，蘇30卻能在雷達上看到它們。蘇-30既是截擊機又是空中優(yōu)勢戰(zhàn)斗機，是一種超音速飛機。
考慮到所有這些因素，印度看起來比中國更強大。
PL-15 and PL-10. Don’t know how it works in Pakistan but in PLAAF, white missiles are live missiles. Blue ones are training rounds.
PL-15和PL-10。我不知道巴基斯坦是怎么做的，但是在中國人那邊，白色導彈才是真的導彈，藍色的是訓練彈。
Haven't we had the HQ-9P for a while already?
我們不是已經(jīng)有HQ-9P一段時間了嗎？
I wish PAF a follows its own conventions and protocols about missiles. I am not a big fan of the Chinese style of coloring missiles different from the plane.
No need to change a perfect protocol
我希望巴基斯坦空軍能遵守自己的導彈公約和協(xié)議。我不太喜歡中國人那種給導彈涂上不同于飛機的顏色。
沒有必要改變我們自己的完美協(xié)議。
Short and stocky pilots make the best fighter pilots actually.
Tall and skinny is the worst for dealing with G forces.
矮壯的飛行員實際上才是最好的戰(zhàn)斗機飛行員。
瘦高個最不適合應對重力。
Don't forget thick necks.
Sexy beast
別忘了還有粗脖子。
不過J10是一只性感野獸
But where are Jf-17 block 3 ??
但是Jf-17 block 3在哪里？？
Want to know F16 VS J10Cwhich one is better,Which on pilots prefer to fly~
not very sure-WS10B-144kn
想知道F16和j10c哪個更好，飛行員更喜歡飛哪個~
不太確定J10發(fā)動機是否是WS10B-144kn
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Wow Seeing dual rack PL15…
can some one share or make missile configuration options on pylons in graphics form .. i can see a total of 8 total PL15 per aircrafts ???????
哇！我竟然看到了雙機架PL15…
有人能以圖形的形式在論壇上分享，或制作導彈配置選項嗎？我可以看到每架飛機總共有8架PL15？？？？？？？
Thank you , deltas, thunders, falcons, and now vigorous dragons for protecting the motherland.
May Allah always keep you in his protection. Ameen.
感謝你們，德爾塔、雷霆、獵鷹，現(xiàn)在還有轟轟烈烈的龍，保護了我們的祖國。
愿真主永遠保護你。阿門。
Inner pylons could theoretically be made missile adaptable but the process takes so long that it is impractical.
Why is that?
It's an issue with the design. Do keep in mind that the basic airfrx was first developed in the late 1990s.
理論上，內(nèi)部掛架可以改造成導彈用的，但是這個過程需要很長時間，不切實際。
回復他人：這是為什么呢？
這是設(shè)計的問題。請記住，J10的基本機體是在20世紀90年代末首次開發(fā)的。
From what I read, the fuel tanks are attached in a way that they are not simply detached but they are connected in quite a complicate way. So if you want to remove the tanks, certain panels on top of the wings need to be opened ... and so on, so that most often they are left as they are.
I think somewhere on my harddrive I have an image showing that ...
據(jù)我所知，油箱的連接方式不是簡單的拆卸，而是以一種非常復雜的方式連接。因此，如果你想移除油箱，機翼頂部的某些面板需要打開……以此類推，以至于大多數(shù)情況下它們都會保持原樣。
我想在我硬盤的某個地方有一張圖片顯示了這些……找不到了
But picture shows the inner pylon of J10c can carry laser bomb, why not PL15?
但是圖片顯示J10c的內(nèi)掛架可以攜帶激光炸彈，PL15為什么不可以？
Congratulations!!
祝賀??！
Quite intriguing to see PL-15E on the planes and not PL-15. Perhaps the Chinese still did not want to sell the PL-15? Or perhaps PAF has assessed that the PL-15E are sufficient for the threat environment.
I suppose China may be willing to provide the non-export variants during a war time scenario?
在飛機上看到PL-15E而不是PL-15非常有趣。也許中國人仍然不想出售PL-15？或者也許巴基斯坦空軍已經(jīng)評估出PL-15E足以應對威脅環(huán)境。
我想中國可能愿意在戰(zhàn)爭期間提供非出口型產(chǎn)品？
I have a theory, and this is based on what China has done with long range guided rocket artillery. The dual-pulse motor is still there. However, there is a software toggle preventing it from being activated in the export version. If the situation is dire, the override switch could be provided.
我有一個理論，這個理論是基于中國在遠程制導火箭炮方面的成就。雙脈沖馬達其實還在。但是，有一個軟件開關(guān)阻止它在外貿(mào)版本中被激活。如果情況危急，可以提供超控開關(guān)。
That is a really interesting theory. Thanks for sharing.
這真是一個有趣的理論。感謝分享。
How long have Pakistani pilots been training in China?
巴基斯坦飛行員在中國訓練多久了？
Long enough that they had to bring their family members, who went on a crazy electronics shopping spree in Chengdu.
時間長到他們不得不帶著家人去成都瘋狂購買電子產(chǎn)品。
Just curious, but how do you distinguish between PL-15 and PL-15E?
只是個人好奇，但是PL-15和PL-15E怎么區(qū)分呢？
For now a full sqn plus few more. Somewhere around the 25-26 figure.
現(xiàn)在是一個完整的編隊。最終會大約在25-26架之間。
What is a JF17 Lift? Bit Unrelated but somebody posted a list of tech here we are getting soon. And there it was Jf17 Super Thunder Block 3, which i get it must be a mistake, but also a Jf17 LIFT. Thanks.
JF17配件升級？雖然我的評論有點不相關(guān)，但有人在這里貼了一張我們很快就會得到的技術(shù)清單，里面是Jf17超級雷霆3，我知道肯定是一個錯誤，但也是一個新的Jf17。謝謝。
I thought there were reports about more ... many more in fact!
我以為比報道上的更多……但事實上最終的數(shù)量比我以為的更多！
Twin seater.
雙座??！
Lethal yet Gracefull.
致命但優(yōu)雅。
Pakistan Air Force confirms J-10 C, HQ 9, WING LONG 2, TB 2 Baraytkar and Akinci along with a new radar and also Cyber and Space commands
巴基斯坦空軍確認了J-10 C，HQ 9，翼龍2，TB 2 Baraytkar和Akinci以及一個新的雷達，還有網(wǎng)絡(luò)和空間指揮中心（戰(zhàn)術(shù)電子中心）
J-10 is a beautiful plane. May it serve Pakistan well.
殲10是一架漂亮的飛機。愿它為巴基斯坦服務。
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Great plane and an excellent addition to PAF.
偉大的飛機，給巴基斯坦空軍一個大大的點贊。
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Look at the payload
PL-15 on dual racks & PL-10E. PAF.
4x BVRAAM
2x WVRAAM
PAF J-10C
Thank you China
看看具體的有效載荷
PL-15雙機架和PL-10E。
2 x WVRAAM
J-10C
謝謝你，中國
J-10C, a very nice looking plane!
J-10C，一架非常好看的飛機！
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There is no power on earth that can undo Pakistan. Each woman, child is standing as well with our forces and will defend Pakistan at all fronts!!!!!
世界上沒有任何力量可以摧毀巴基斯坦。每個婦女和孩子都與我們的軍隊站在一起，將在所有戰(zhàn)線上保衛(wèi)巴基斯坦?。。?/b>
Good to see that our Armed Forces are so professional, discipline and strong. Feeling proud. Long Live Pakistan.
很高興看到我們的軍隊如此專業(yè)、紀律和強大。感到自豪。巴基斯坦萬歲。
We are proud of our Pakistan Air Force. Long Live Pakistan
我們?yōu)榘突固箍哲姼械津湴?。巴基斯坦萬歲
Best Air force of Pakistan Forever, Salute to Pak Air Force......
巴基斯坦空軍永遠是最好的空軍，向巴基斯坦空軍致敬……
Congratulations to Pakistan Air Force for adding another strong J-10C into their aircrafts. Keep it up
祝賀巴基斯坦空軍在飛機上又增加了強大的J-10C。繼續(xù)下去
Oh I see the excellent swords - PL-10 and PL-15!!!!! China only give those SAM to her brother country - Great Pakistan!!!
哦，我看到了優(yōu)秀的利劍，PL-10和PL-15?。。。≈袊话褜椝徒o她的兄弟國家，偉大的巴基斯坦??！
If I am not mistaken J10 carries significant amount of fuel in the wings.. infact if I am not mistaken then amongst similar weight airctaft, it is comparatively on the higher side. Please correct me if I am wrong here.
Also, without the inner most pylons carrying fuel tanks, what would be the range solely based on internal fuel?
The reason I ask this is because unlike China, Pakistan may not need longer legs and if required then we can have the mid fuselage pylon carry a single fuel tank. This way we can use the inner most pylon for pods or may be design a different dual rack (e.g. vertical racks or dissimilar configuration) where the fuselage or the landing gear does not hamper carrying 2 missiles or a pod or any combination of missile.
Would love to hear thought or why we can't do this with J10-CP
如果我沒有弄錯的話，J10的機翼攜帶了大量的燃油……事實上，如果我沒弄錯的話，在同等重量的飛機中，價格也相對偏高。如果我在這里錯了，請糾正我。
此外，如果沒有最里面的掛架攜帶燃料箱，僅基于內(nèi)部燃料的航程會是多少？
我問這個問題的原因是因為不像中國，巴基斯坦可能不需要更長的腿，如果需要的話，我們可以讓中機身掛架攜帶一個油箱。通過這種方式，我們可以使用最里面的掛架用于吊艙，或者可以設(shè)計不同的雙掛架(例如垂直掛架或不同的配置)，其中機身或起落架不會妨礙攜帶2枚導彈或一個吊艙或?qū)椀娜魏谓M合。
很想聽聽大家的想法，或者為什么我們不能用J10-CP做到這一點
The cockpit has a green hue ! ?????? what kind of tainted cockpit is it? benefits besides UV protection ?
Any chatter in foreign media, specifically from the jealous neighbor ?
駕駛艙是綠色的??？？？？？？這是什么樣的污染駕駛艙？除了防紫外線還有什么好處？
外國媒體上有什么消息嗎？特別是那個嫉妒的鄰居（印度）？
Its canopy is likely coated with Indium-Tin-Oxide. It helps reflect radar waves, making the jet more stealthy. The green hue is the HUD
它的頂蓋可能涂有氧化銦錫。它有助于反射雷達波，使飛機更加隱蔽。綠色是平視顯示器
It was never about the performance gap---but the NUMBERS GAP.
It is always about the numbers gap---read up on nations and wars---it is always about the numbers and how they are used.
The Paf was always below par in numbers in 4th gen aircraft.
I have shared many a times---if you have 5 machine guns---and you add 5 more machine guns---it makes 100% increase in firepower and capabilities and may have a 500% increase in a force multiplier effect---.
It may also have massive "pucker effect" on the enemy.
The FORCE MULTIPLIER effect is the most important aspect in this numbers game of in parallel increase in power.
這從來不是性能表現(xiàn)差距的問題，而是數(shù)字差距的問題。
這總是與數(shù)字差距有關(guān)——仔細研究國家和戰(zhàn)爭——總是與數(shù)字，和數(shù)字的使用方式有關(guān)。
巴基斯坦空軍在第四代飛機的數(shù)量上總是低于平均水平。
我已經(jīng)說過很多次了，如果你有5把機槍，你再增加5把機槍，你的火力和能力就會增加100%，力量倍增率可能會增加500%。
它也可能對敵人產(chǎn)生巨大的“噘嘴效應”（讓敵人嫉妒）。
力量倍增效應是這個平行增加力量的數(shù)字游戲中最重要的方面。