又吵起來(lái)了,中國(guó)空間站和國(guó)際空間站到底哪個(gè)更強(qiáng) 網(wǎng)友:先不說(shuō)其他,這是在用中國(guó)VS全世界嘛？
China's Space Station vs The ISS
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The United States did have their own space station called, Skylab. It disintegrated in the earth's atmosphere on july 11, 1979. The Skylab program cost 2.2 billion dollars.
美國(guó)確實(shí)有過(guò)自己的空間站，當(dāng)時(shí)又叫做空間實(shí)驗(yàn)室。已經(jīng)于1979年7月11日在地球大氣層中解體。當(dāng)時(shí)的空間實(shí)驗(yàn)室項(xiàng)目耗資22億美元
Tian Gong is expecting the first African astronauts soon tho, been in action since 2016. The Chinese have planned how to do everything and now it's as sleek as the Rosinante from the Expanse
自2016年中國(guó)“天宮”入駐太空后，他們期待第一批非洲宇航員到來(lái)。中國(guó)人已經(jīng)計(jì)劃去做好每一件事，現(xiàn)在它就像《蒼穹浩瀚》里羅西南特飛船那樣一樣光芒四射
So far difference ...china is more advance ...although the size is about 1/3 of iss ..look at the ability to present the efficiency is about
3× 0.7= 2.1 times in term of same size ...
If we see the interior picture so nice , tidy as compared to iss so mess.....
From the above conclusions , it appears that china has surpassed iss interm of cost production , 35% cheaper and efficiency 200% and showing more sophistication ...
那區(qū)別可就大了，中國(guó)更先進(jìn)…雖然它的大小大約是國(guó)際空間站的1/3，但你看看功能和效率，能比國(guó)際空間站高2.1倍
要是看空間站內(nèi)部情況，相比國(guó)際空間站天宮異常整潔，而國(guó)際空間站里面亂的一塌糊涂....
綜上所述，中國(guó)天宮生產(chǎn)成本大大低于美國(guó)，便宜了35%，但效率提高了200%，而且更加先進(jìn)…
The planners for the ISS had planned for it to look sleek and efficient as well, but it became apparent that exposed cables were just easier to maintain.
國(guó)際空間站設(shè)計(jì)師也曾打算讓它看起來(lái)既美觀又高效，但很明顯，外置的電纜也更容易維護(hù)。
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and the iss has older electronics although upgraded, of course it would be bulkier. However, the "Mechanical" look, I prefer it.
it's literally in space. Reliability and fixability is more important than "aesthetics".
國(guó)際空間站的電子設(shè)備雖然升級(jí)了，看起來(lái)略顯笨重。不過(guò)，我還是更喜歡“機(jī)械”的樣子。
若是真在太空中?？煽啃院涂删S護(hù)性要比“美觀”重要太多了。
@youtubeanything7291 That’s what I’m saying. I don’t give a fuck about how it looks. If you are in space you are in a very hostile environment to life and I would prefer practicality over luxury
這正是我想要說(shuō)的。我才不管它看起來(lái)怎么樣。異常險(xiǎn)惡太空的環(huán)境時(shí)刻會(huì)讓你丟掉小命，所以我更喜歡實(shí)用性而不是看起來(lái)好不好看
Said every kid who won't clean his room ever
凡是不愛(ài)打掃房間的孩子都這么說(shuō)，哈哈
@youtubeanything7291 the reason why there less cables in the Chinese station is because they don’t need the cables. They aren’t hiding the cables for it to look more aesthetically pleasing, everything is wireless and digital. They are on WIFI and the ISS is on dial up.
中國(guó)空間站里沒(méi)那些亂七八糟電纜的原因，并不是為了美觀而把它們都給隱藏起來(lái)，是因?yàn)樗麄儾恍枰@玩意。那里的一切連接都以數(shù)字無(wú)線方式的。比如上網(wǎng)他們用的是WIFI，而國(guó)際空間站用的是撥號(hào)。
because stuff on earth needs to be cover to keep crap out. In space if anything comes your way the panel won't stop you.
在地球上你若想保護(hù)好東西，那你必須給他遮擋起來(lái)把臟東西隔在外面。而在太空中，如果有什么東西朝你飛過(guò)來(lái)，什么擋板也防不住。
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Tia gong uses as many wireless options as it can, however. So even in a few years, when humans do what humans do, and the wires aren’t hidden any more, it won’t be nearly as messy.
可天宮里的通訊設(shè)計(jì)盡可能用的都是無(wú)線連接。所以，幾年后人們要做什么事時(shí)，就不會(huì)遇到線纜困擾，也不會(huì)那么亂。
The way wires, cables and other equipment are exposed in the open, there is a greater risk of breakage or damage if care is not taken by mistake.
Easier to maintain plus easier to damage it as well
電線、電纜和其他設(shè)備裸露在外面，如果不小心，破損或損壞的風(fēng)險(xiǎn)會(huì)更大。維護(hù)雖然容易，但也更容易壞。
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At that time it was the best technology we had. Now the things are changed so China built with latest tech
以前我們擁有當(dāng)時(shí)最先進(jìn)的技術(shù)?？涩F(xiàn)在，情況反過(guò)來(lái)了，中國(guó)現(xiàn)在制造的什么東西都是最先進(jìn)的
I smell propaganda
我聞到了一股宣傳的味道…
Bare cables are indeed easy to maintain, but when there are many cables, they can only become a wool ball, and the maintenance time will increase exponentially.
外置電纜確實(shí)很容易維護(hù)，但是電纜多到一定程度時(shí)，就亂套了，維護(hù)時(shí)間就會(huì)成倍增加。
Or it's just bad design from the ground up bc it is design is more than decade older
或者它只是從一開(kāi)始就很糟糕的設(shè)計(jì)，因?yàn)閲?guó)際空間站是幾十年前的設(shè)計(jì)的
@MarkMiller304 eww wireless in space
if have solor storm your system will fully offline or broken?
嗯~？無(wú)線連接？在太空？
如果出現(xiàn)太陽(yáng)風(fēng)暴，您什么系統(tǒng)即使不完蛋也得徹底死機(jī)？
@mahachonk.7401 if you can’t shield against that you shouldn’t be in space
如果這種情況你都不能應(yīng)付，那你就別去太空了
Each section of the ISS was built by a different country ended having to rewire a lot of things after they were all docked.
國(guó)際空間站的每個(gè)部分都不同國(guó)家分別建造的，在它們完成組合后，什么線都得重新布置。
A mess of cables? That's the first time I saw a fire break out and burned the whole laboratory in half hour.
一堆電纜？我第一次遇到的火災(zāi)，半小時(shí)內(nèi)就給整個(gè)實(shí)驗(yàn)室燒了個(gè)精光。
We also have to consider when these two stations were built, and how each county funds such items... China is a one party state, they do what's necessary for China's advancement and aspired dominance....
America, on the other hand, the core of the ISS, a place where women struggle whether or not our perceived democracy is more important than abortion... Then she stumbles and ultimately picks abortion.... Like that makes any sense.... Chosing something that depends on the other.... smfh...
A get nothing done government, where voters prioritize what makes them feel good over the country's advancement.... COUNTRIES COMPETING AGAINST OTHER COUNTRIES CANNOT SURVIVE VOTING ON EMOTIONS....voting has to change, start with restricting voting to 30, allowing people to get a real look at life and not be swayed by emotions and feelings, we need drastic change in politics overall to compete with China...
我們還必須知道這兩個(gè)空間站是什么時(shí)候建的，以及各個(gè)國(guó)家是如何為這個(gè)項(xiàng)目提供資金的，中國(guó)是一個(gè)一黨制國(guó)家，他們?yōu)榱俗陨磉M(jìn)步和統(tǒng)治地位做了他們應(yīng)該做事情....
而我們美國(guó)，國(guó)際空間站的核心，某個(gè)女人還在糾結(jié)于我們的民主是否比墮胎更重要……然后一頓折騰之后，最終還是選擇了墮胎....其中的意義在哪....選擇靠其他....（無(wú)奈）
一個(gè)什么都不做的政府，選民們首先考慮的是居然是讓自己感覺(jué)良好，而不是國(guó)家的進(jìn)步....與其他國(guó)家競(jìng)爭(zhēng)居然是靠感情票，這種投票方式必須改變，從將投票人數(shù)限制在30人開(kāi)始，允許人們真實(shí)地看待生活，而不是被情緒和感覺(jué)所左右，我們需要在政治上進(jìn)行徹底的改變，與中國(guó)競(jìng)爭(zhēng)…
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@MihailSarkisof
The ISS was mainly the result of cooperation of two confronting nations one of those was poor and another - greedy. So ISS is an utter miracle because it exists at least.
國(guó)際空間站主要是兩個(gè)敵對(duì)國(guó)家合作的結(jié)果，其中一個(gè)貧窮，另一個(gè)貪婪。所以國(guó)際空間站存在完全是個(gè)的奇跡。
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Unless you have a large station (over 300 meters) there is no need for sleek design.
Reason being any small station bellow that range would not have untrained personal and or normal civilians and or transportation people. They will be purposely made for science or industrial use.
除非你有一個(gè)大型能有超過(guò)三百米的空間站，否則沒(méi)有必要采用這么時(shí)尚的設(shè)計(jì)。
原因是任何低于這個(gè)尺寸小空間站都不可能讓未經(jīng)訓(xùn)練的個(gè)人或普通平民入駐。這東西是用于科研或工業(yè)方面的。
That’s why India is not only a most developed country but a super power of the world and because all cables exposed all over the street make India people life easier.
這就是為什么印度不僅是最發(fā)達(dá)國(guó)家，而且是世界上的超級(jí)大國(guó)的原因，因?yàn)闈M大街“四通八達(dá)”的明線電纜，只會(huì)讓印度人的生活更為便利。
When you have to pin point where a broken fiber optic line, you don’t have to look through all the panels when it’s just there.
當(dāng)你需要確定光纖斷點(diǎn)位置時(shí)，你不需要打開(kāi)所有面板，因?yàn)閱?wèn)題就在眼前。
US: Haha your space station is tiny!
China: But it looks nicer!
US: Ours is more sophisticated than yours too.
China: Yes I see messy cables.
US: It's easier to maintain.
China: It's clearly skill and determination related issues.
US: >____< !!
美國(guó)：哈哈，你們的空間站太小了！
中國(guó)：但是看起來(lái)漂亮多了！
美國(guó)：我們技術(shù)也比你們先進(jìn)。
中國(guó)：可我看到是亂作一團(tuán)的線纜。
美國(guó)：可我們維護(hù)更方便。
中國(guó)：這顯然是技術(shù)和決心的問(wèn)題。
Space station is not a gaming pc to look slick and have rgb lights everywhere.
也許是因?yàn)榧依镆呀?jīng)是這樣了？
空間站可不是游戲電腦，表面光鮮，處處都有RGB燈
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@SpaceClipppas
Nice to have a new modern space station
很高興有一個(gè)新的現(xiàn)代空間站
Almost every engineering or IT room looks sleek and futuristic until after a few months. Then it becomes an altar for worshipping wires.
幾乎每個(gè)工程或數(shù)據(jù)中心看起來(lái)都很時(shí)髦，很有未來(lái)感，直到幾個(gè)月之后。那里就會(huì)變成一團(tuán)亂如麻團(tuán)的電線祭壇。
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It's already a few months after they make the tianggong, still looks sleek and futuristic
“天宮”已經(jīng)運(yùn)行好幾個(gè)月了，看起來(lái)依然光鮮亮麗，充滿未來(lái)感
The Chinese station is on wireless connection. They didn’t tuck the wire away, they don’t need it. It’s 2024, technology has moved on.
中國(guó)空間站里的東西都是無(wú)線連接的。那里沒(méi)有可掩藏的線纜，他們不需要。現(xiàn)在都已經(jīng)2024年啦，科技進(jìn)步了。
@MarkMiller304 wired is always more reliable than wires less.
有線永遠(yuǎn)比無(wú)線更為可靠。
@gund89123 yes. You are correct. But why people ditch their land line phone and switch to cellphone?
確實(shí)。你說(shuō)的沒(méi)錯(cuò)。但是人們?yōu)槭裁匆釛壒潭娫挾挠檬謾C(jī)呢？
@MarkMiller304 Internet doesnt magically replace most of those wires. Internet is comparitively slow, and electronics sre just small batches of wires connected by larger wires. Willing to bet WIFI hasnt magically replaced all the electronics inside. Plus, arieal communication isn't efficient. You can remove many or soms, but saying it has no wires wpuld be very inaccurate.
互聯(lián)網(wǎng)并沒(méi)有神奇地取代大部分電線。互聯(lián)網(wǎng)速度相對(duì)較慢，電子設(shè)備只是由更多的電線連接起來(lái)的小線團(tuán)。我敢打賭WIFI并沒(méi)有神奇地取代里面所有的電子設(shè)備。另外，WIFI交流效率并不高。你可以取消一些電纜，但說(shuō)它完全不需要電纜是非常不準(zhǔn)確的。
it's been years and Chinese space station still look sleek and futuristic because it use wireless connections
可這么多年過(guò)去了，采用大量無(wú)線連接的中國(guó)空間站，仍然看起來(lái)時(shí)尚而充滿未來(lái)感
hell nah that sht is going down the Pacific ocean
見(jiàn)鬼，那玩意早晚掉進(jìn)太平洋
@Jezzlemon nah iss is going down first
要掉，也是國(guó)際空間站先掉
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@Jezzlemon no because iss is on its last leg and Chinese space station will be the only space station in orbit
國(guó)際空間站已經(jīng)快壽終正寢啦，到時(shí)候，中國(guó)空間站將是地球軌道上唯一的太空空間站
@randombully3798
The unappealing mechanical parts are there because the ISS is old.
It was designed in the 90's .
那些令人嫌棄的機(jī)械部件之所以存在，是因?yàn)閲?guó)際空間站太老了。因?yàn)橛行〇|西是90年代設(shè)計(jì)的。
@randombully3798 Imagine what NASA's new space station will be now with today's technology
想象一下，以當(dāng)今的技術(shù)，NASA的新空間站將會(huì)是個(gè)什么樣子
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@Random_. similar to china's Space station internally.
Though there is not much will in western countries to build another space station as ISS will be retired in 2031.
So i guess it won't be before 2040 when we will see another ISS size space station .
空間站內(nèi)部肯定是像中國(guó)的。
雖然國(guó)際空間站將于2031年退役，但沒(méi)一個(gè)西方國(guó)家想去造一個(gè)新的空間站。
因此我想在2040年之前我們不會(huì)看到跟現(xiàn)在國(guó)際空間站一樣大的新空間站。
@randombully3798 well by then technology will be much more advanced and the new space station even better
到那時(shí)，技術(shù)會(huì)更加先進(jìn)，新的空間站會(huì)更好
They're just old yet still good in todays standard
（國(guó)際空間站）雖然舊，但以如今的標(biāo)準(zhǔn)來(lái)衡量仍算不錯(cuò)的
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? @jehamoonsoon2847 yeah rather use a windows 11 than a windows xp
好吧，但我寧愿用Win 11也不用Win xp
@ScottCyclops windows peaked with 7 and ill gladly take XP over 11
WIN7才是最好的，要我用win系統(tǒng)我會(huì)選擇XP而不是Win11
@notusneo security features and various aren't upxed in windows xp. Could easily be bricked.
可XP系統(tǒng)已經(jīng)功能缺失，沒(méi)了安全更新。還很容易變磚。
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Yes.. Form and function.. ISS has only function and no form.. While the Chinese Tian Gong is both form and function.. You cannot compare the 2 .. ISS is like a Honeywagon (vacuum truck) and the Tian Gong is a Ferrari or Lamborghini.. Both perform a function they are intended to lololololololol
是的，形式和功能，國(guó)際空間站只有功能沒(méi)有形式，而中國(guó)的天宮是既有形式又有功能。你不能把他們放在一起去比較，國(guó)際空間站就像一臺(tái)老爺車（Honeywagon），而天宮就好比法拉利或蘭博基尼，這倆都有他們所希望有的功能。
@GamingBaked are we trying to compare the greatest in their time periods or the most efficient in general here? The most efficient land transportation in the 1500s was a horse. A Toyota is nowhere near the best in this gen but I rather use that.
關(guān)于偉大還是效率的問(wèn)題上進(jìn)行對(duì)比，你應(yīng)該比同一時(shí)期的產(chǎn)品!比如16世紀(jì)最高效的陸地交通工具是馬。這時(shí)期的豐田車雖然很差勁，但我還是想用它
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It’s because it’s out dated tech. If they had digital wireless technology up there you think they would have all those wires around?
有線連接那都是過(guò)時(shí)技術(shù)，若是他們真有數(shù)字無(wú)線技術(shù)你覺(jué)得他們還會(huì)用那么多線纜嗎？
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@Mark Miller304
I'm guessing you've never seen the inside of a data center. LOL!
1)Hardlines are more reliable than wireless.
2) Some of those are power cables, not data cables.
3) There are hundreds of experiments being performed. All those wireless connections so close together will cause signal interference between the equipment.
4) Due to higher radiation levels, wireless transmitters and receivers are more vulnerable and need extra shielding.
我猜你從沒(méi)見(jiàn)過(guò)數(shù)據(jù)中心里的樣子。哈哈! 實(shí)體線路比無(wú)線線路更可靠。
其中一部分線纜是電力線，而不是數(shù)據(jù)線
各種五花八門的實(shí)驗(yàn)器材放在一起。那些靠得太近且通過(guò)無(wú)線連接的設(shè)備相互間會(huì)產(chǎn)生信號(hào)干擾。
由于高輻射，無(wú)線發(fā)射器和接收器更容易受到強(qiáng)烈干擾，必須額外的屏蔽。
There is no need to unplug and plug wires everyday.
Whatever that needs to be accessed is easy to access. It's called having a functional design. China uses new technology and design.
It's the same as having cupboards or closets instead of leaving your clothes and plates everywhere. Sure, it is easier to leave your clothes lying everywhere in a mess. But after it becomes hard to manage and find clothes, and having things packed away neatly in orderly fashion is much better and easier to sort out. You think having 1000 wires all hanging everywhere in random directions is easier to manage than having it designed to not need to do that in the first place?
It also allows much more usable space for the inhabitants.
每天都得插拔電線有那個(gè)必要嗎？。
任何數(shù)據(jù)的存取都必須易于訪問(wèn)。這就是所謂的功能性設(shè)計(jì)。而中國(guó)用的是新技術(shù)和新設(shè)計(jì)。
這就有點(diǎn)像櫥柜或壁櫥，避免衣服和盤子被扔得到處都是。當(dāng)然，你把衣服弄得亂七八糟很容易?？梢路欢嗄阋砘蚴钦夷臣路r(shí)你就麻煩了，把東西整齊有序地打包起來(lái)會(huì)更好找，也更容易整理。你覺(jué)得隨意地四處擺放的1000根電線能比天宮那樣的會(huì)更容易管理嗎？他們這樣做還可以為入駐人員提供了更大的可利用空間。
@ex0duzz Being neat and orderly is a must. But, covering everything up with "pretty panels" is a waste of time. It's like the difference between working under the hood of a 60s muscle car vs. working under the hood of a modern car.
整潔有序那是必須的。但用“漂亮的面板”把一切都掩藏起來(lái)那純屬浪費(fèi)時(shí)間。這就像在60年代的肌肉車的引擎蓋下工作和在現(xiàn)代汽車的引擎蓋下工作的區(qū)別。
?@Random_. How could they .ame new space station if they don't have money
可他們（NASA）沒(méi)錢啊，沒(méi)錢他們拿啥建造新空間站
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?@Random_. Now even go to the moon for them is difficult ,they said they lost lot of technologies from before, why they don't just use today's technology? and keep doing PPT for how many years? How big the budget will be and they will have it?
現(xiàn)在連登月對(duì)他們（NASA）來(lái)說(shuō)都很難，他們說(shuō)他們很多以前的技術(shù)都丟失了，既然如此，那他們?cè)趺床挥萌缃竦募夹g(shù)呢？就會(huì)做PPT？他們想要多大的預(yù)算，能實(shí)現(xiàn)嗎？
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The ISS astronauts unable to come back to earth. So much of efficiency.
國(guó)際空間站的宇航員都回不到地球了。這效率真的是高??！。
Can you imagine bumping into cables and accidently pulling them?
你能想象不小心絆到線纜扯到它們的后果嗎？
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@thecomment9489
Tiangong looks like those Spacestations in sci-fi films.
天宮看起來(lái)就像科幻電影里的空間站。
Tiangong looks like a bigger size Mir station.
天宮看起來(lái)就像一個(gè)大一號(hào)的和平號(hào)空間站。
CGI
電腦特效而已
@avigdonable Tell me you know nothing about Mir and Tiangong without telling me.
If Tiangong is a "bigger size Mir", then so is ISS. The only thing they have in common is that they are all space stations.
When the basic design, life support system, electronics, orbit parameters, size and experiments are all different, you can't say it's the same in any way that makes sense.
和平和天宮空間站的事兒用不著你告訴我
如果天宮是“大一號(hào)的和平號(hào)”，那么國(guó)際空間站也可以這么說(shuō)。它們唯一的共同點(diǎn)是它們都叫空間站。
當(dāng)基本設(shè)計(jì)、生命維持系統(tǒng)、電子設(shè)備、軌道參數(shù)、大小和實(shí)驗(yàn)項(xiàng)目都不同時(shí)，你不能說(shuō)它們什么都是一樣的。
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Not according to americanos trolls
美國(guó)噴子們可不這么認(rèn)為
iss is not made by america its group of coundries china made its solo they are genius
國(guó)際空間站可不是美國(guó)自己造的，是一群國(guó)家造的，而中國(guó)的空間站是他們自己造的，他們是天才
Amazing how fast they got it done.
好厲害，他們這么快就造了一個(gè)
@90stroll86 clearly you’ve never heard of Skylab or any of the other preceding American space stations that came before the ISS. Plus soon the lunar gateway will be operational by the end of the next decade giving the US a foothold around the moon in deep space.
很明顯，你肯定沒(méi)聽(tīng)說(shuō)過(guò)太空實(shí)驗(yàn)室，也沒(méi)聽(tīng)過(guò)國(guó)際空間站之前的其他美國(guó)空間站。此外，美國(guó)的繞月平臺(tái)將在下一個(gè)十年末投入使用，讓美國(guó)在月球附近的深空有一個(gè)立足點(diǎn)
@The_last_prime That's like claiming gym muscles are the same as farmer muscles. You generally won't see farmers appearing on the covers of body building or health magazines, but get some gym rats working on a farm and they'll almost all fold before the end of the first day.
這就好比健身房的肌肉男和農(nóng)場(chǎng)里的肌肉男的區(qū)別一樣。一般來(lái)說(shuō)，健身或健康雜志上的封面都不是農(nóng)場(chǎng)里肌肉男，但如果你讓一群健身房里的肌肉男去農(nóng)場(chǎng)打工，一天他們都堅(jiān)持不下來(lái)。
Cry about it, the Chinese made something better then you guys and you can't accept it.
別叫啦，中國(guó)人制造的東西就是比你們的好，你們就是無(wú)法接受而已。