印度尼西亞拒絕蘋果 1 億美元投資提案
Indonesia Rejects Apple's $100 Million Investment Proposal | Vantage with Palki Sharma
譯文簡介
由于印度尼西亞對蘋果的制裁，蘋果新款手機已經(jīng)在馬來西亞全面下架。蘋果公司提出解決方案：投資一億元美元，換解禁
印度尼西亞政府認為這是一種侮辱，拒絕了蘋果的提議，事情將如何發(fā)展？
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由于印度尼西亞對蘋果的制裁，蘋果新款手機已經(jīng)在印度尼西亞全面下架。蘋果公司提出解決方案：投資一億元美元，換解禁
印度尼西亞政府認為這是一種侮辱，拒絕了蘋果的提議，事情將如何發(fā)展？
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Indonesia doing the right thing.Bravo Indonesia.
印尼做得對。為印尼點贊。
Apple should take this seriously. Lol. Before it become 'not only indonesia'.
蘋果應該認真對待這個問題。哈哈。要不然就會變成“不僅僅是印尼了”。
Not until Trump put them on his hit list, all those Chinese investments will go down the drain. if Trump slap them with bigger tariff idk.
除非特朗普把他們列入打擊名單，否則所有那些中國的投資都會打水漂。如果特朗普對他們加征更高的關稅，不知道會怎樣。
@ i don’t think so
我不這么認為
@CharlieTangoLaw .
If You want to dig deeper about that "thing", You must be not know, the point is if Trump doing so, USA will make a suicide then.
Wanna know why ?
Just dig it deeper.
如果你想深入了解那個“事情”，你可能不知道，關鍵是如果特朗普這樣做，美國就會自殺。
想知道為什么嗎？
那就深入挖掘一下吧。
as an indonesian, a strong india is welcome, even if India is friendly with distant lands like isriwil, India is a good neighbor,and we wish to be one too
作為一名印尼人，歡迎強大的印度，即使印度和遠方的國家如以色列友好，印度依然是個好鄰居，我們也希望成為一個好鄰居。
Lu ngomong apa sih? @TheAnonymousKnightOfJustice
你在說什么？
As an American i applaud Indonesia make these corporations PAY to sell in your markets … this is how competition is made and maintained
作為一名美國人，我為印尼點贊讓這些公司為在你們市場銷售付費……這就是如何創(chuàng)造和維持競爭。
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Samsung and xiaomi comply
三星和小米遵守規(guī)定
Because samsung oppo vivo xiaomi and many smartphone brand make factory in indonesia complain if indonesia deal with apple only 100 milion
因為三星、OPPO、Vivo、小米和許多手機品牌在印尼設廠，如果印尼只和蘋果達成1億的協(xié)議，他們會抱怨。
@juwitaoppo7927The big red flag is apple wanna holiday tax 50 years.
大問題是蘋果想要50年的稅收豁免。
American smartphone brands Apple iPhone and Google Pixel just want to SELL, they don't want to follow the Indonesian Government's Rules. Meanwhile, Asian smartphone brands like Samsung, xiaomi, Oppo and Vivo, they build factories, open official stores, pay taxes, etc. We don't need a tech company that can't comply with our rules, just get out!
美國的智能手機品牌蘋果iPhone和谷歌Pixel只是想銷售，它們不想遵守印尼政府的規(guī)定。而像三星、小米、OPPO和Vivo這樣的亞洲智能手機品牌，則建立了工廠、開設了官方商店、交稅等等。我們不需要一個不能遵守我們規(guī)定的科技公司，趕緊滾蛋！
@JpCoen-n1i america typical
美國典型做法
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Why does every news who take this subject always leave out the most think that makes this happen? Apple wants holiday tax for 50 years on all its damn products in Indonesia.
為什么每個報道這個話題的新聞都忽略了導致這一切發(fā)生的關鍵？蘋果想要在印尼的所有產(chǎn)品上享受50年的稅收假期。
Samsung, xiaomi, Huawei and OPPO phones are very popular in Indonesia and they comply with the rules
三星、小米、華為和OPPO的手機在印尼非常受歡迎，而且它們遵守規(guī)定。
Aple is not premium brand but poor product by ask tax free for 50.years...
蘋果并不是高端品牌，卻要求50年免稅，真是差勁。
Well said
說得好
Imagine they want free tax for 50 years.....
想象一下，他們居然想要50年免稅……
Imagine i have iphone start from iphone 4, and theres million people here in indonesia who use iphone yet theres no single apple service center here in indonesia..
想象一下，我從iPhone 4開始就擁有蘋果手機，而印尼有數(shù)百萬的人在使用iPhone，卻在印尼沒有任何一個蘋果維修中心。
@feeedommari tumbangkan aple di indonesia
打倒蘋果在印尼的統(tǒng)治
Greedy Apple Inc....
貪婪的蘋果公司……
@tulushermawan4311kita hancurkan Apple layaknya BlackBerry dan Nokia
我們要像摧毀黑莓和諾基亞那樣摧毀蘋果。
Fyi, this local content regulation is not only applied to Smartphones but many products in retail market such as furnitures, vehicles home appliances etc. So, what's make Apple feels special? They want the money, they must plant the money.
順便說一下，這項本地內(nèi)容法規(guī)不僅適用于智能手機，還適用于零售市場的許多產(chǎn)品，如家具、車輛、家電等。那么，是什么讓蘋果覺得自己與眾不同？他們想要賺錢，就必須投資。
Apple want to tax holidays for 50 yrs.. WTF?!!!
蘋果想要50年的稅收假期……這是什么鬼？！
this is because at first iphone want 50 years free tax, that what cause the block in sales
這是因為最初iPhone想要50年免稅，這導致了銷售受阻。
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how can a large country with large market potential get small investments, fair? but small countries like Vietnam and Malaysia receive large investments. Win to win solution lah
一個大國，擁有巨大的市場潛力，怎么會得到這么少的投資，公平嗎？而像越南和馬來西亞這樣的小國卻得到了大量投資。這是雙贏的解決方案啊。
Ask tax free for 50 years, but only spends $100milion, what a joke.
要求50年免稅，卻只花費1億美元，真是笑話。
Let's boycott this brand, only moron and traitor would buy this damn cheapskate brand who doesn't invest in our country
讓我們抵制這個品牌，只有傻瓜和叛徒才會購買這個不在我們國家投資的卑鄙品牌。
The Indonesian government's actions were right to reject investment from a rotten apple, Apple has insulted Indonesia with a very small investment, even though the Indonesian market is very large as the country with the 4th largest population in the world. Surprisingly, Apple invests a much larger amount in Vietnam, even though Vietnam has a smaller population than Indonesia. Therefore, Indonesia must teach a valuable lesson to rotten apples, don't mess with Indonesia, apples don't just want profits but don't want capital and don't have a colonial character.
印尼政府拒絕來自“腐爛的蘋果”投資的做法是正確的，蘋果以非常小的投資侮辱了印尼，盡管印尼作為世界第四大人口國，其市場非常龐大。令人驚訝的是，蘋果在越南的投資遠遠大于在印尼的投資，盡管越南的人口比印尼少。因此，印尼必須給“腐爛的蘋果”一個寶貴的教訓，別惹印尼，蘋果不僅想要利潤，還想要資本，但卻沒有殖民心態(tài)。
Vietnam mau kasih apel 50Y tax.
越南要給蘋果50年的免稅期。
@imiam-c1h mereka mau kasih tax holiday begitu karena mereka ga punya bargaining position, pabrik vietnam itu orientasinya cuma ekspor ke luar vietnam bukan buat dalam negeri, beda sama indonesia yg punya market gede dalam negeri nya. Kalo invest di indo buat jual ekspor oke, buat dalem negeri juga oke, marketnya ada.
他們想給免稅期是因為越南沒有談判的籌碼，越南的工廠主要面向出口，而不是為了國內(nèi)市場，跟印尼不同，印尼擁有龐大的國內(nèi)市場。如果在印尼投資，用來做出口當然可以，在國內(nèi)銷售也沒問題，市場就在這里。
apple thought they could use tax free Vietnam to sell the products in Indonesia. Big No! Indonesia did the right thing, Rotten Apple is being greedy and they need to be put in their place. All SEA should follow suit.
蘋果以為可以利用免稅的越南向印尼銷售產(chǎn)品，完全不行！印尼做得對，腐爛的蘋果太貪心了，應該把它們放在正確的位置。整個東南亞應該效仿。
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@candycrush9962 akhirnya ada juga yang paham persoalan kayak lu bro
The Vietnamese government has adopted unfair trade practices and should impose a 100% import tax on all iphone produced in Vietnam.
終于有人像你一樣理解這個問題了，兄弟。
越南政府采取了不公平的貿(mào)易行為，應該對所有產(chǎn)自越南的蘋果手機加收100%進口稅
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@candycrush9962 tujuannya pabrik vietnam pen d jualnya ke indonesia itu tp malah di ban, baguslah
越南的工廠本來是為了向印尼銷售的，但結(jié)果卻被禁了，真好。
Big shout out to Indonesia, congratulation!!!
大聲向印尼致敬，恭喜?。?！
100m is a peanut. It's an insult,cs they made billions in Indonesia last year.
1億美元算什么？這是侮辱，他們?nèi)ツ暝谟∧豳嵙藬?shù)十億美元。
they didnt make billions with a single model though
不過，他們并不是通過單一款手機賺取了數(shù)十億美元。
@breninznx At least banning their latest phone will affect their entire ecosystem. the sales of ipad, macbook, iMac etc will collapse
至少禁止他們最新款手機的銷售會影響到他們整個生態(tài)系統(tǒng)，iPad、MacBook、iMac等產(chǎn)品的銷量都會崩塌。
@breninznxand then we should ban another one :)
然后我們應該再禁售一款 :)
No more colonialism trick !!
Our life much better with manggo, banana, durian, rambutan, etc
No apple no die right
再也不要殖民主義的把戲了！！
我們的生活有芒果、香蕉、榴蓮、紅毛丹等水果，生活更加美好。
沒有蘋果也不會死，對吧？
That's right, brother.
沒錯，兄弟。
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Durian team here
榴蓮團隊在此
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Even apple is originated is Kazakhstan Asia
即使蘋果起源于亞洲的哈薩克斯坦
But one apple a day keeps the doctor away
但每天一個蘋果可以遠離醫(yī)生。
Just fun
只是開玩笑
We have local apple malang right?
我們有本地的馬朗蘋果，對吧？
I love banana
我喜歡香蕉。
Rotten apple cos bit
腐爛的蘋果因為有毒。
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Ah typical colonialism Mentality, even Chinese and South Korea Smartphone Manufacturing invest 1 Billion dollar in total yet Apple demand Indonesia to give them 50 Year Yax Holiday, for mere 100 Million Investment Dollar absolutely insulting.
啊，典型的殖民心態(tài)，連中國和韓國的智能手機制造商總共也投資了10億美元，但蘋果卻要求印尼給它們50年的免稅期，只為區(qū)區(qū)1億美元的投資，簡直是侮辱。
Apple invest 256T IDR in Vietnam for 1.5 mio sales
Apple only invest 1.4T in Indonesia for 2.5 mio sales
And theres no Apple store in Indonesia, but currently open 3 in Singapore, 2 in Thailand, 1 in Malaysia, and Vietnam. How rude Apple!
蘋果在越南投資了2560萬億印尼盾，銷售150萬部；
但在印尼只投資了1.4萬億印尼盾，銷售250萬部；
而且印尼沒有蘋果店，但目前新加坡有3家，泰國有2家，馬來西亞和越南各有1家。蘋果真無禮！
goodbye Apple Sell it to the Vietnamese!
再見，蘋果。賣給越南人吧！
Indonesian still love Apple... the sweet and juicy one...
印尼人依然喜歡蘋果……甜美多汁的那種……
Shameful apple … indonesia is the biggest and most powerful economy in ASEAN … if no appreciation and respect, go to hell apple
可恥的蘋果……印尼是東南亞最大的經(jīng)濟體，如果沒有尊重和感激，那就去死吧，蘋果。
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Mari tumbangkan aple sperti blakbary
讓我們像摧毀黑莓那樣摧毀蘋果吧。
It's tax holiday
是要免稅期。
Indonesian : Huawei is the new apple
印尼人：華為是新的蘋果。
Welcome xiaomi, Vivo, Oppo China
歡迎小米、Vivo、Oppo，中國
@iwinlee yes justsweet
no iPhone !
是的，甜美的就是不需要iPhone！
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Yes .i agree with the government!
是的，我同意政府的做法！
#NoAppleNoProblem Invite Huawei to invest in Indonesia and promise to protect their employees
沒有蘋果沒問題 邀請華為來印尼投資 并承諾保護他們的員工
Indonesia a sleeping giant. Guyanese here.
印度尼西亞是一個沉睡的巨人。我是圭亞那人。
the thing is, other smartphone brands has built factories and even invested a lot in indonesia, for a company that has billions of dollars in sales in indonesia, it's just unfair to the citizen, to the nation economy, and to the other company whose invested so much
問題是，其他手機品牌已經(jīng)在印度尼西亞建廠，并且投入了大量資金。對于一個在印尼銷售額達到數(shù)十億美元的公司來說，這對當?shù)毓瘛医?jīng)濟以及其他已經(jīng)投資如此之多的公司來說都是不公平的。
Exactly! Fairness to other manufacturers who have invested billions in the country.
完全正確！對那些在這個國家投資了數(shù)十億的其他制造商來說，這是不公平的。
100m? Insultingly low
1億？極高的侮辱性。
I am alwys in awe of indonesia. They are so ahead and yet so understated . How do I move there .I love Indonesian food ?
我一直對印度尼西亞感到敬畏。他們發(fā)展如此迅速，卻又低調(diào)內(nèi)斂。如何才能搬到那里呢？我喜歡印尼的食物。
Where u from anyway
你到底是哪里人？
better not mate
最好別去，兄弟。
@error4035 care to explain why
你能解釋一下為什么嗎？
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@dailyhacks4634better not because the government is so corrupt, but it's getting better year by year. if you want to being Indonesian, married Indonesian that would be the easiest way
最好不要，因為政府腐敗嚴重，但它每年在變好。如果你想成為印度尼西亞人，最簡單的方法就是娶一個印度尼西亞人。
your country where you born is better for you
你出生的國家對你來說更好。
Negara kami masih miskin bro,, tunggu sekitar 15-20 tahun lagi kalau mau pindah ke Indonesia.. karna sekitar 15 tahun lagi Indonesia akan sebanding dengan negara maju
我們的國家仍然貧窮，兄弟，如果你打算搬到印尼，等個15-20年吧，因為大約15年后，印度尼西亞將與發(fā)達國家媲美。
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Salah satu caranya yaitu anda harus menikahi warga negara indonesia, kalau anda pria nikahilah gadis Indonesia namun jika anda wanita sepertinya anda harus menikah dengan saya
其中一個方法是你必須娶一位印尼國籍的女性，如果你是男性，娶一位印尼女孩，如果你是女性，看起來你得和我結(jié)婚。
@Terataiyangberlumpur aku suka jawabanmu. Sampai jumpa kamu. Begita perhatian . Kamu mempunyai hati yang besar dan memberiku nasihat yang baik. Terima kasih. Sayang berharap Indonesia akan tumbuh sangat cepat oh Dan aku akan datang jangan khawatir Dan mudah banyak Dan kehilangan nasi lemak Dan sate
我喜歡你的回答。再見了，你很關心別人。你有一顆好心，給了我很多好的建議。謝謝你。親愛的，我希望印度尼西亞能迅速發(fā)展，我會來的，別擔心，也不會忘記我們的椰漿飯和沙爹。
Aple ask about 50 years free tax? i dont even think Aple still Exist 50 years later
蘋果問了50年免稅的事？我甚至不認為50年后蘋果還會存在。
Exactly. Thats just roundabout way to ask free tax forever
完全正確。這只是變相要求永久免稅。
Vietnamese selling their pride for short term gain....
越南人為了短期利益在出賣他們的尊嚴……
Hahahahahahahahright
哈哈哈哈哈哈，沒錯。
50YEARS TAX HOLIDAY????
50年免稅？？？ 50年不交稅是新型殖民主義。
It's crazy.
這太瘋狂了。
huawei seems high end and trustworthy lol by comparison.Let Apple out and let Huawei in
At the same time, we can also have Tiktok, Wechat, Baidu
Replace everything in the United States
People will find that it is not useless without Google
與此相比，華為似乎更高端、更值得信賴，哈哈。我是印尼人。
讓蘋果出去 讓華為進來
同時還可以有抖音 微信 百度
代替美國的一切
人們會發(fā)現(xiàn)并不是沒有谷歌 手機就沒用了
Apple treats Indonesia's dignity as a mere earpad. Also apple only invest 1 factory even worse, it's earpad factory meanwhile Apple has 28 main apple products factories in Vietnam. What an insult! Better not to invest and not to sell Apple products there.
蘋果將印度尼西亞的尊嚴視為一個簡單的耳機墊。更糟的是，蘋果只投資了一個工廠，而且還是耳機工廠，而蘋果在越南有28個主要的蘋果產(chǎn)品工廠。真是侮辱！最好不要投資，也不要在那兒銷售蘋果產(chǎn)品。
Apple knows Indonesia has largest market in region, potentially in the future even bigger. Theyre just plan to sell it in Indonesia with factory in other countries in ASEAN. Apple thinks we are stupid? Shame on you Apple
蘋果知道印度尼西亞在該地區(qū)有最大市場，未來可能會更大。他們只是計劃在印尼銷售，并在東盟其他國家設廠。蘋果以為我們很傻嗎？蘋果，真丟人。
Congratulation Indonesia, good job!
恭喜印度尼西亞，干得好！
Samsung is more appealing to most people here in Indonesia. Apple can go to other countries, why worry. I think Tesla Phone will do better as the starlix is now available and more reliable
三星對這里大多數(shù)印尼人來說更有吸引力。蘋果可以去其他國家，為什么要擔心？我認為特斯拉手機會做得更好，因為星鏈現(xiàn)在已經(jīng)可用了，而且更可靠。
In general, Android is always top notch. Buying Apple is like buying a brand not the chip itself
總的來說，安卓手機一直都很頂級。購買蘋果就像購買一個品牌，而不是手機芯片本身。
Lost 2 Billion, is alright..?
損失20億，沒關系嗎？
SALUTE! Respect for Indonesia!
致敬！尊敬印度尼西亞！
India should learn from Indonesia.
印度應該向印度尼西亞學習。
as Indonesian, i look down to those using apple product. it's basically overpriced, so so quality, boring design. why would someone want it anyway?
作為印尼人，我看不起那些使用蘋果產(chǎn)品的人。它基本上就是定價過高，質(zhì)量一般，設計無聊。為什么有人會想要呢？
Buat gengsi biasanya pamer
為了虛榮，通常是為了炫耀。
Low battery low quality
電池差，質(zhì)量差。
For showing off
用來炫耀。
Bcoz they want to looks cool... most of them low income...
因為他們想看起來很酷……大多數(shù)人收入不高……
Its not low quality, but definitely overpriced... I bought iPhone 6s+ in 2015 that last me until 2024, granted its a Japanese iPhone. I don't think iBox has that high quality... iBox iPhone is equal to Samsung... those who have bought iPhone from different countries know the very critical difference... I am a Samsung user since last July... 1 million rupiah secondhand, better than any with the current economt
它不是低質(zhì)量，但絕對是定價過高……我在2015年買了iPhone 6s+，一直用到2024，雖然它是日本版的。我不認為iBox的質(zhì)量有多高……iBox的iPhone和三星差不多……那些從不同國家購買過iPhone的人都知道其中的關鍵差異……我從去年七月開始使用三星手機……花了100萬印尼盾買的二手手機，比目前的經(jīng)濟條件下任何一款都好。
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people buy iphone for a phone the same way people would buy rolex for a watch
人們買iPhone就像買勞力士一樣，是為了品牌。
Jangankan iPhone orang Indonesia beli kendaraan mewah saja bagaikan beli kacang goreng
更別說iPhone了，印尼人買豪車就像買炸花生一樣。
The first Apple product I bought is a iPad Mini. After Apple decide to stopped with the software upxe, I never touch any of their products again.
我買的第一款蘋果產(chǎn)品是iPad Mini。后來蘋果決定停止更新軟件后，我再也沒有碰過他們的任何產(chǎn)品。
They are smart people. They know who are the threat here.
他們是聰明人，他們知道誰是威脅。
Stay Strong Indonesia !!! Well done .
保持堅強，印度尼西亞?。?！做得好。
I am an Indonesian and I like Apple products but it doesn't mean they belittle us like that. They got much profit from us a long these years but they don't even think about sharing with us in a fair way. That make us so pissed off. If the Apple just give us the junk, just go away. We don't need their products. We have other companies that already invested in our country. Just 'Give and Take' or just 'Leave It'.
我是印尼人，我喜歡蘋果產(chǎn)品，但這并不意味著他們可以這樣輕視我們。他們從我們這里賺了很多錢，但從來沒有公平地考慮與我們分享。這讓我們很生氣。如果蘋果只是給我們垃圾，那就離開吧。我們不需要他們的產(chǎn)品。我們有其他已經(jīng)在我們國家投資的公司。要么“給予與接受”，要么“就離開”。
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Did u ever buy their products?
你曾經(jīng)買過他們的產(chǎn)品嗎？
Smart. Respect Indonesia. Indonesia fight for natural sources too. They are will be great nations. Omedetto
聰明。尊敬印度尼西亞。印度尼西亞也在為自然資源而斗爭。他們將成為偉大的國家。恭喜。
This is good. Other countries need to be doing this. That's how you develop your country. Force companies to invest and develop. China started by their car history by forcing Volkswagen to produce in China.
這很好。其他國家也需要這樣做。這就是發(fā)展國家的方式。強迫公司投資和發(fā)展。中國通過強迫大眾在中國生產(chǎn)開始了他們的汽車歷史。
Good job Indonesia. Indonesia must be a really big market for Apple.
做得好，印度尼西亞。印度尼西亞一定是蘋果的一個大市場。
It's not a big market in any way and 100M is not much either. It's probably for some testing labs and new shops.
這根本不是一個大市場，1億也不算多?？赡苤皇且恍y試實驗室和新開的商店。
@daathisone5459 That investment given by Apple in that such tiny money amount is meant to be factory that only produce the *Ear Tips* for AirPods Max. Clearly insulting
蘋果的這筆小額投資，目的是建立一個只生產(chǎn)AirPods Max耳塞的工廠。這明顯是在侮辱我們。
Correction India has 17 Million Apple smartphone users.
更正：印度有1700萬蘋果智能手機用戶。
@daathisone5459 Last year 13 million units of iPhone were sold in Indonesia, Indonesia ranked the 5th largest iPhone buyer country, and Apple made a profit of 2 billion dollars from iPhone sales, so Indonesia is a large market, And of the 270 million Indonesian population, the number of smartphones sold is 350 million which means that most Indonesians buy more than one smartphone, that's why smartphone companies such as Huawei, oppo, xiaomi and even Samsung want to build factories in Indonesia, because Indonesia is a very large market
去年印尼售出了1300萬部iPhone，印尼是全球第五大iPhone購買國，蘋果從iPhone銷售中賺取了20億美元，因此印尼是一個大市場。印尼人口為2.7億，而售出的智能手機數(shù)量為3.5億，意味著大多數(shù)印尼人購買了不止一部手機，這就是為什么像華為、OPPO、小米甚至三星這樣的手機公司都想在印尼建廠，因為印尼是一個非常大的市場。