奇葩問(wèn)答：無(wú)神論有治療方法嗎？
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-treatment-for-atheism
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不幸的是，與有神論不同，“無(wú)神論”一旦“復(fù)發(fā)”就無(wú)法治愈。
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Is there a treatment for atheism?
無(wú)神論有治療方法嗎？
無(wú)神論有治療方法嗎？
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A: Unfortunately, unlike Theism the ‘Atheism’ once ‘redeveloped’ it is not curable. However, ‘redevelopment’ is very much preventable. Here are some treatments for ‘Atheism’ that have been successfully used around the globe from time immemorial.
Childhood indoctrination: Not many people are aware that all humans are born Atheists (a term used to describe people who are suffering from ‘Atheism’). But most people are successfully cured of it in their childhood through systematic indoctrination. Childhood indoctrination involves psychological manipulation by the family primarily in the early stages of a child’s moral and intellectual development to act and think on the basis of a certain ideology. This is by far the most successful treatment for ‘Atheism’. Once cured of it will progressively get much harder to redevelop it as the person aged.
Typical correlation between Age and Disease Incidence of ‘Atheism’ is below:
答：
不幸的是，與有神論不同，“無(wú)神論”一旦“復(fù)發(fā)”就無(wú)法治愈。
然而，“復(fù)發(fā)”是可以預(yù)防的。
以下就是自古以來(lái)在世界各地成功治療“無(wú)神論”的一些方法：
1、童年灌輸：
很多人類(lèi)都不知道，所有人類(lèi)生來(lái)都是無(wú)神論者（這個(gè)術(shù)語(yǔ)是用來(lái)描述患有“無(wú)神論”的人）。但大多數(shù)人在童年時(shí)期通過(guò)系統(tǒng)灌輸成功的治愈了它。童年灌輸主要涉及家庭在兒童道德和智力發(fā)展的早期階段進(jìn)行的心理操縱，以某種意識(shí)形態(tài)為基礎(chǔ)的行動(dòng)和思考。
這是迄今為止最成功的“無(wú)神論”治療方法。一旦治愈，隨著年齡的增長(zhǎng)，重新患上這種疾病的難度會(huì)逐漸加大。
“無(wú)神論”的年齡和發(fā)病率之間的典型相關(guān)性如下：
橫坐標(biāo)：年齡 （30歲后，復(fù)發(fā)概率變得極低）
縱坐標(biāo)：復(fù)發(fā)概率
Phenomena observed that despite best efforts, in rear cases some people redevelop ‘Atheism’ during early adulthood (Recrudescence Phase) which usually progressed from ‘Agnosticism’ which is allegedly early warning sign of ‘Atheism’ in most cases.
Fear and control: Exposing the subject or yourself to the regular dose of coercive fear and control mechanism is an excellent supplement for the treatment of ‘Atheism’.
從現(xiàn)象我們可以觀察到，盡管做出了最大的努力，但在某些情況下，一些人在成年早期（復(fù)發(fā)階段）重新發(fā)展了“無(wú)神論”，這通常是從“不可知論”發(fā)展而來(lái)的，據(jù)稱(chēng)在大多數(shù)情況下，“不可知主義”是“無(wú)神論”的早期復(fù)發(fā)的預(yù)警信號(hào)。
2、威脅和控制：
讓受試者或你自己暴露在常規(guī)劑量的強(qiáng)制性威脅和控制機(jī)制中，是治療“無(wú)神論”的絕佳補(bǔ)充。
What makes you think atheism is a state of mind that needs to be treated? I regard atheism as absolutely necessary to spiritual growth.
For a person of faith, atheism is a good stage to enter because in it, you question the validity, not just of your religion, but of faith itself. For me, as a religious person, I am very glad to have been an atheist for a while because it allowed me to really think about my religion, to look squarely at its claims, and to eventually separate in my mind those things I regarded as part of religion and those things that I regarded as faith and to assess their relative merits.
I concluded that I had little use for organized religion, but I found great value in faith. The best, more useful, aspects of organized religion promote faith. The less useful aspects of organized religion promote the organization and its dogma.
While you are in the mindset of atheism, you feel it to be permanent—and it might become permanent. That’s okay. It’s good to question. Anything, even religion, that cannot stand up to questioning doesn’t deserve our consideration.
For me, my period of atheism allowed me to re-find and to refine my faith. Once I worked out what religious teachings did and did not make sense to me, I was able to come up with a worldview that matches reality but still admits spiritual faith.
So don’t knock atheism. There are far worse ills in the world.
是什么讓你認(rèn)為無(wú)神論是一種需要治療的精神狀態(tài)？
我認(rèn)為無(wú)神論對(duì)于精神成長(zhǎng)是絕對(duì)必要的。
對(duì)于一個(gè)有信仰的人來(lái)說(shuō)，無(wú)神論是一個(gè)很好的階段，因?yàn)樵谶@個(gè)階段，你不僅會(huì)質(zhì)疑你的宗教的有效性，而且回質(zhì)疑信仰本身的有效性。
對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，作為一個(gè)宗教人士，我很高興曾經(jīng)做過(guò)一段時(shí)間的無(wú)神論者，因?yàn)樗屛夷軌蛘嬲伎嘉业淖诮?，直面它的主張，并最終在我的腦海中將那些我認(rèn)為是宗教一部分的東西和那些我認(rèn)為是信仰的東西區(qū)分開(kāi)來(lái)，并評(píng)估它們的相對(duì)優(yōu)點(diǎn)。
我的結(jié)論是，有組織的宗教沒(méi)什么用處，但我發(fā)現(xiàn)信仰很有價(jià)值。有組織的宗教最好、最有用的方面就是促進(jìn)了信仰。有組織的宗教，不太有用的方面，就是促進(jìn)了組織及其教條。
當(dāng)你處于無(wú)神論的心態(tài)時(shí)，你會(huì)覺(jué)得它是永恒的——而且它非常有可能真的變成永恒的。
沒(méi)關(guān)系。質(zhì)疑是件好事。任何經(jīng)不起質(zhì)疑的東西，即使是宗教，都不值得我們考慮。
對(duì)我來(lái)說(shuō)，無(wú)神論時(shí)期讓我重新發(fā)現(xiàn)并完善了我的信仰。一旦我弄清楚宗教教義對(duì)我有意義和無(wú)意義的部分，我就能發(fā)展出一種符合現(xiàn)實(shí)，但仍然承認(rèn)精神信仰的世界觀。
所以不要批評(píng)無(wú)神論。世界上還有更糟糕的弊病。
Your asking if there is a treatment for someone who is rational and only accepts as his knowledge base anything that can be proven. I suppose one such treatment is a hard hit to the head so that he loses his ability to be rational.
You have to remember, we are all born atheists, and only a sext few have had the influence of religion brainwash their views, their knowledge base, and their beliefs via downloading a religious virus in their thought process that interferes with rationality.
你想問(wèn)的是：如何治療一個(gè)理性的人，他只接受任何可以證明的東西作為他的知識(shí)基礎(chǔ)。
我想，這種治療方法就是重?fù)羲念^部，讓他失去理性。
你必須記住，我們都是天生的無(wú)神論者，只有少數(shù)人會(huì)受到宗教的影響。有人在他們的思維過(guò)程中下載干擾理性的宗教病毒，以此來(lái)洗腦他們的觀點(diǎn)、知識(shí)基礎(chǔ)和信仰。
I upvoted you but would like to make what I consider a “correction.”
Most people’s brains are corrupted not by “allowing” absurd dogmas to be downloaded, but by well meaning relatives doing their religious brainwashing duty.
(in my opinion)
樓上，我給你點(diǎn)了贊，但我想做點(diǎn)我認(rèn)為的“更正”。
大多數(shù)人的大腦被腐蝕，不是因?yàn)椤霸试S”下載荒謬的教條，而是因?yàn)楹眯牡挠H戚履行了他們的宗教洗腦職責(zé)。
（在我看來(lái)）
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Your point is well-taken. Let me see if I can better word my answer.
你的觀點(diǎn)很正確。我看看能不能讓我答案措辭更準(zhǔn)確。
Atheism is the cure!
For more than 98% Christianity is the problem! It’s the rare 2% OR LESS Christians that don’t make an COMPLLET asshole of themself!
They have to lie to support their religion, they constantly lie to each other for religious support, they lie so often they can’t sort the truth out from the flood of lies.
無(wú)神論才是被治愈了的！
對(duì)于超過(guò) 98% 的人來(lái)說(shuō)，基督教才是問(wèn)題所在！剩下的2%才是罕見(jiàn)的。
2%中，只要極少數(shù)的基督徒?jīng)]有讓自己成為一個(gè)徹頭徹尾的混蛋！
他們不得不用撒謊來(lái)支持他們的宗教，他們不斷地互相撒謊以尋求宗教支持，他們?nèi)鲋e的頻率如此之高，以至于無(wú)法從謊言的洪流中找出真相。
A treatment?
As in it's some sort of disease or defect that needs some kind of cure or therapy?
A person's beliefs or non-beliefs are their own free choice - often influenced by those around them or sometimes by their own experiences.
Your question is as ridiculous as asking if there is a treatment for people whose favourite colour is blue: someone's favourite colour is their own free choice, and attempting to ‘treat’ that is futile at best.
Or it's like ‘treating' someone for their favourite book.
My favourite book is still ‘War of the Worlds’, I don't seek a cure for those who think ‘Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea’ is a better book, because a ‘better book' is someone's personal opinion, and on something that might affect their own life but doesn't really affect anyone else's.
The same is true for religion (or lack thereof): take from yours what you will, live well and live good; let others do the same with their own beliefs (or lack thereof). Their beliefs don't affect you, don't let your beliefs affect them either.
治療？
就像是某種疾病或缺陷需要某種治療或療法一樣？
一個(gè)人信仰或不信仰，是他們自己的自由選擇——通常受到周?chē)说挠绊?，有時(shí)也受到自己經(jīng)歷的影響。
你的問(wèn)題就像是問(wèn)，是否有辦法治療最喜歡藍(lán)色的人，一樣荒謬。
別人最喜歡的顏色，是他們自己的自由選擇，試圖“治療”是徒勞的。
或者，這就像要“治療”一下某人最喜歡的書(shū)。
我最喜歡的書(shū)是《世界大戰(zhàn)》，我不會(huì)為那些認(rèn)為《海底兩萬(wàn)里》是一本更好的書(shū)的人需要被治療。
因?yàn)椤案玫臅?shū)”是某人的個(gè)人看法，是關(guān)于可能影響自己生活但不會(huì)真正影響其他人生活的事情。
宗教（或無(wú)宗教）也是如此：你拿走你想要的東西，好好生活，讓其他人用自己的信仰（或無(wú)信仰）做同樣的事情。他們的信仰不會(huì)影響到你，也不要讓你的信仰影響他們。
There is an urgent need to create a treatment for believers like you, but unfortunately stupidity can not be cured.
迫切需要為像你這樣的信徒創(chuàng)造一種治療方法，但不幸的是，愚蠢是無(wú)法治愈的。
Atheism is the default setting.
We are all born atheists.
Do you mean to tell me you believe we are all born defective?
And then we are brainwashed into religion. Some people, anyway.
If anything, there needs to be a treatment for that.
無(wú)神論是默認(rèn)設(shè)置。
我們都是天生的無(wú)神論者。
你是說(shuō)你相信我們生來(lái)就有缺陷嗎？
然后，我們就被宗教洗腦了。某些人，某種方式。
如果真要治療的話，他們才是需要被治療的。
Yes.
Lying, threats, childhood indoctrination, and wilful ignorance are all well-known methods of getting rid of atheism.
是的。
撒謊、威脅、童年灌輸和頑固愚昧，都是擺脫無(wú)神論的眾所周知的方法。
You could try brainwashing people. It worked for thousands of cults and some of them even turned into world-religions.
你可以試著給人們洗腦。洗腦這個(gè)手法，為數(shù)千個(gè)邪教組織所用，其中一些邪教甚至變成了世界宗教。
Is there a treatment for atheism?
Well, I suppose you could lock up a few atheists in a sanitarium with religious hymns playing 24/7, but it would probably just drive them nuts!
Better yet, just arrange for god to explain himself in person; I’m so sure that would work that I’ll volunteer for the occasion!
無(wú)神論有治療方法嗎？
好吧，我想你可以把一些無(wú)神論者關(guān)在療養(yǎng)院，全天候播放宗教贊美詩(shī)，但這可能會(huì)讓他們發(fā)瘋！
更好的辦法是，只要安排上帝親自來(lái)一躺，我確信這會(huì)奏效，如果有，我會(huì)自愿參加這個(gè)活動(dòng)！
Not as yet but there is certainly a cure for your stupidity. It is called education. (or a frontal lobotomy)
還沒(méi)有辦法治療，但你的愚蠢肯定有辦法治好，它被稱(chēng)為教育。（或額葉切除術(shù)）
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It’s not a disease.
這不是一種疾病。
Well, if religion was built on reason, education, critical thinking etc you could try religion but usually it is atheism that is built on those things and religion is built (especially the fundamentalist kind) on dogma, superstition and make-believe.
好吧，如果宗教是建立在理性、教育、批判性思維等基礎(chǔ)上的，你可以嘗試宗教，但通常，無(wú)神論才是建立在這些基礎(chǔ)上的，而宗教（尤其是原教旨主義）是建立在教條、迷信和虛構(gòu)之上的。
No - but if we keep irradiating the cancer of religion with the rays of truth, maybe it will disappear and there will be no further need for atheism.
不能——但如果我們繼續(xù)用真理的光芒照射宗教的癌癥，也許它會(huì)消失，不再需要無(wú)神論。
Is there a treatment for atheism?
Yes. It is called indoctrination.
The end result is an inability to think rationally about religious matters.
It is best inculcated by an exclusive diet of religious tall tales in early childhood.
無(wú)神論有治療方法嗎？
有。這被稱(chēng)為灌輸。
最終的結(jié)果是：無(wú)法理性地思考宗教問(wèn)題。
最好是在幼兒時(shí)期通過(guò)獨(dú)家的宗教故事來(lái)灌輸。
No. It’s not an illness so there is no treatment.
不，這不是一種疾病，所以沒(méi)有治療方法。
Serious brain damage can remove atheism.
嚴(yán)重的腦損傷可以消除無(wú)神論。
There’s nothing to treat, it’s the lack of belief in a god or gods. If your problem is that atheists exist, that’s easy to fix: prove there’s a god.
沒(méi)有什么可治療的，這是對(duì)一個(gè)或多個(gè)神缺乏信仰。
如果你的問(wèn)題是，如何消滅無(wú)神論者的存在，那很容易解決：證明有神。
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Can I be cured of being an atheist?.
This is my answer
1.
I would require a logical and verifiable explanation that I could understand, and which explained how it would be possible, that God could exist and where he came from and how he could be all powerful and could be omniscient
2.
I would need to know why and how God created the world
3.
I would need to know and accept why God created sin
4.
I would need to know more about heaven and, in particular, if I could communicate with people already dead (which the Bible does not promise)
5.
I would need to understand and accept the problem of pain (child cancer?)
6.
I would need to know and accept why God allows the devil to exist
7.
I would need a reasonable explanation of all the horrible bits in the Old Testament (God allegedly arranged for 2.4 million deaths plus one flood holocaust killing young and old, innocent and guilty)
8.
I would need an explanation for all the illogical and contradictory bits of the Bible (eg the flood story is just plain wrong on quite a few issues)
9.
I would need to know and accept the reasons why God revealed himself so late in history to one remote and small tribe and it would take another 1500 years before the rest of the world could know about him
10.
I would need to know why an omnipotent God set the world up so that his son had to die horribly for my sins
11.
I would need to know why God did not visit my local church (God so loved the world that he hides behind clouds!!)
12.
I would need some verifiable proof that Jesus actually existed (seems unlikely)
13.
I would need to have proof that the New Testament descxtion of events was accurate (seems unlikely)
I would not want to rely on ancient foreign goat herder’s myths and the intellectual dishonesty of ‘leaps of faith’.
You would have to remove all my ethics, sense of justice, and sense of being an independent sentient creature
You would have to make me accept that I am owned
You would have to make me accept being a slave that has no say in what rules govern my life
You would have to make me accept that moral debt can be traded like some bargaining chip
You would have to make me accept that moral debt is not owned by the one that was harmed by my actions
You would have to make me accept that atonement is a way to erase moral debt
You would have to make me think that torture and killing is acceptable atonement
You would have to make me accept moral debt can be erased
You would have to make me accept scapegoating
…so in short, you would have to erase my most fundamental senses of ethics, justice, and self-determination.
That is all.
我身上無(wú)神論這個(gè)毛病可以治好嗎？
這是我的答案：
1、我需要一個(gè)我能理解的邏輯和可驗(yàn)證的解釋?zhuān)忉屔系凼侨绾慰赡艽嬖诘?，他?lái)自哪里，他是如何全能和無(wú)所不知的。
2、我需要知道上帝為什么以及如何創(chuàng)造世界的。
3、我需要知道并接受上帝為什么要?jiǎng)?chuàng)造罪惡。
4、我需要更多地了解天堂，特別是讓我能與已經(jīng)死去的人交流（圣經(jīng)沒(méi)有承諾過(guò)）
5、我需要理解并接受疼痛的問(wèn)題（兒童癌癥？）
6、我需要知道并接受為什么上帝允許魔鬼存在
7、我需要對(duì)舊約中所有可怕的部分做出合理的解釋?zhuān)〒?jù)稱(chēng)上帝安排了240萬(wàn)人的死亡，外加一場(chǎng)洪水大屠殺，殺害了年輕人和老年人，無(wú)辜者和有罪者）
8、我需要對(duì)圣經(jīng)中所有不合邏輯和矛盾的部分做出解釋?zhuān)ɡ?，洪水故事在很多?wèn)題上都是完全錯(cuò)誤的）
9、我需要知道并接受上帝在歷史上這么晚才在一個(gè)偏遠(yuǎn)的小部落顯現(xiàn)的原因，而世界其他地方需要再過(guò)1500年才能了解他。
10、我需要知道為什么全能的上帝可以創(chuàng)造這個(gè)世界，而他的兒子卻不得不為我的罪而死。
11、我需要知道為什么上帝沒(méi)有訪問(wèn)我當(dāng)?shù)氐慕烫茫ㄉ系廴绱藧?ài)這個(gè)世界，以至于他躲在云層后面！?。?br /> 12、我需要一些可驗(yàn)證的證據(jù)來(lái)證明耶穌確實(shí)存在（似乎不太可能）
13、我需要有證據(jù)證明新約對(duì)事件的描述是準(zhǔn)確的（似乎不太可能）
我不想依賴(lài)古代外國(guó)牧羊人的神話和智力上的不誠(chéng)實(shí)，來(lái)實(shí)現(xiàn)“信仰飛躍”。
你必須消除我所有的道德、正義感和作為獨(dú)立有情生物的感覺(jué)
你必須讓我接受我是屬于別人的
你必須讓我接受我是一個(gè)奴隸，我對(duì)我的生活規(guī)則沒(méi)有發(fā)言權(quán)
你必須讓我接受道德債務(wù)可以用討價(jià)還價(jià)的方式來(lái)交易
你必須讓我接受我欠的道德債務(wù)，不應(yīng)該還款給我傷害的人
你必須讓我接受贖罪卷是消除道德債務(wù)的一種方式
你必須讓我認(rèn)為折磨和殺戮是可以被接受的贖罪
你必須讓我接受道德債務(wù)可以被抹去
你必須讓我接受替罪羊的存在
簡(jiǎn)而言之，你必須抹去我最基本的道德、正義和自決感。
就這些了。
Atheism is not a disease to be treated and/or cured. It is a philosophical point of view on the question of whether any gods exist - yours included.
Take the braces off your brain and begin asking questions instead of issuing answers regarding things you do not actually understand.
Best of luck!
無(wú)神論不是一種需要治療和/或治愈的疾病。它是關(guān)于是否存在神（包括你自己的神）的問(wèn)題的一種哲學(xué)觀點(diǎn)。
摘掉腦袋上的牙套，開(kāi)始問(wèn)問(wèn)題，而不是針對(duì)你實(shí)際上不理解的事情給出答案。
祝你好運(yùn)！
No, but there is a treatment for stupidity. It’s called getting an education. I advise you invest in such treatment.
沒(méi)有，但有一種治療愚蠢的方法。這叫做接受教育。我建議你投資這種治療。
Any evidence for any god would mean an end to all atheism.
(That’s in theory, of course. It has never been tried in practice.)
任何上帝存在的證據(jù)，都意味著所有無(wú)神論的終結(jié)。
（當(dāng)然，這是理論上的。在實(shí)踐中從未得到驗(yàn)證過(guò)。）
You could try lobotomy,I suppose, but then you would have to take care of the former atheist around the clock till the atheist’s death. And lobotomies for that reason are also illegal, so you might have to slip the surgeon an extra to make it worthy his while to break the law.
我想，你可以嘗試腦白質(zhì)切除術(shù)，但這樣你就必須全天候照顧這位前無(wú)神論者了，直到無(wú)神論者去世。但是，額葉切除術(shù)是非法的，所以你可能不得不多給外科醫(yī)生一點(diǎn)好處，讓他感覺(jué)違法是值得的。