印度網(wǎng)友的困擾：翻誰(shuí)的牌子好呢？Su-57和F-35在2025年印度航空展上同時(shí)出現(xiàn)

@guillermodefrancisco750
The whole world has seen that the USA are not trustworthy.

全世界都看到了，美國(guó)是不值得信任的。

@guillermodefrancisco750
Aren't the F35s falling like pancakes from the sky in Alaska?

F-35難道不是像煎餅一樣從阿拉斯加的天空掉下來嗎？
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@Bidyoworks
you're thinking like an ignoramus. fake account

你想得真是個(gè)無知的人。假賬戶。

@ScamArtist-x7h
2/3 of Americans f 35 are not even fight ready. They suck and keep crashing. One of them Russian jets scares me just by the sound it makes flying by.

三分之二的美國(guó)F-35甚至沒有作戰(zhàn)能力。它們?cè)愀馇也粩鄩嫐?。俄羅斯的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)飛過時(shí)發(fā)出的聲音就讓我害怕。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@Xpj4k3bqY
@ScamArtist-x7h Russia su 57 can take more weapons with stealth future

俄羅斯蘇-57具有更強(qiáng)的隱身能力，能夠搭載更多武器。

@reginaldlagrone5082
SU-57 is a beautiful and high-performance fighter jet. The F-35 is a good single engine fighter jet that does its job.

蘇-57是一款美麗且高性能的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。F-35是一款性能優(yōu)秀的單引擎戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，能完成其任務(wù)。

@shravan97
I guess both have their own pros and cons

我猜兩者都有各自的優(yōu)缺點(diǎn)。

@bluecalu7944
SU-57 is way cheaper

蘇-57便宜得多。

@wasiqmehmood3637
Even usa experts been saying since many years that f35 is way too expensive. Also f35 is not a solo project by usa rather others are involved in r&d.

甚至美國(guó)專家多年一直說F-35過于昂貴。而且F-35并不是美國(guó)單獨(dú)研發(fā)的項(xiàng)目，其他國(guó)家也參與了研發(fā)。

@srkwet
The su 57 cheaper chines style

蘇-57是便宜的中國(guó)風(fēng)格。

@md.maqsuduzzamankhan6937
No east no west self made is the best and this should be the ultimate goal.

不分東方西方，自主制造才是最好的，這應(yīng)該是最終目標(biāo)。

@garvitchouhan9819
Alhamdulillah, exactly brother

感謝真主，完全正確，兄弟。

@GurpreetSingh-bg7yi
By the time india will introduce 5th gen fighter jets. World would have already moved on to 7th or 8th gen

等到印度引進(jìn)第五代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)時(shí)，世界可能已經(jīng)進(jìn)入第七代或第八代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)時(shí)代了。

@asdjkk1297
Yes

是的。

@asdjkk1297
@GurpreetSingh-bg7yi also china nd pak will customise their airforce fleet with partnerships. So we need an ardent aircraft

而且中國(guó)和巴基斯坦將通過合作定制他們的空軍艦隊(duì)。所以我們需要一款強(qiáng)有力的戰(zhàn)機(jī)。

@TheAryanKnight
True mr Khan. We need our people united and we will achieve it.

沒錯(cuò)，Khan先生。我們需要團(tuán)結(jié)人民，才能實(shí)現(xiàn)目標(biāo)。

@abhijithray9163
India should go for Su - 57

印度應(yīng)該選擇蘇-57。

@johnp4167
Maybe India should buy from kim Jong un

也許印度應(yīng)該從金正恩那里購(gòu)買。

@?iribu-?iriba
Nah , Tejas is the best.

不，光輝是最好的。

@KingAlphaOmega
Russia are backstabbing india over china

俄羅斯在中國(guó)問題上背叛了印度。

@night8285
Even China mocked the Su-57 during the last year airshow in china.

甚至中國(guó)在去年的航展上嘲笑了蘇-57。

@Richard-x3h
India would have to wait for 30 years til Russia can even afford to build them to sell them

印度得等30年，直到俄羅斯有能力建造并出售這些戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。

@Ammotech99
Tejas is the best

光輝是最好的。

@bluecalu7944
SU-57 for india. Yes people

蘇-57適合印度。是的，大家。

@OptiMus_PrimE...p
Bcz this jet is t 50 in demo@night8285

因?yàn)檫@架戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)是T-50演示機(jī)。

@Bai420-h2k
I don't know where you got this information from. China has a strong recognition of Shu 57 for close combat

我不知道你從哪里得到的信息。中國(guó)對(duì)蘇-57在近戰(zhàn)中的表現(xiàn)非常認(rèn)可。

@peterneil6859
...but Russia is not accepting indian currency, so pay in Chinese yuan...

...但是俄羅斯不接受印度貨幣，所以用人民幣支付吧。

@bigfishy7816
Their budget is more in the P-51 range

他們的預(yù)算更接近P-51級(jí)別。

@BLUERAY1611
American 5th generation fighter jets might have "kill switch" . India should buy Russian fighter jets.

美國(guó)的第五代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)可能有“自毀開關(guān)”。印度應(yīng)該購(gòu)買俄羅斯的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。

@indian-fc8md
Ok “pelane “ expert..dont u think they can do that with every single technology they owe

好吧，“專家”，你難道不認(rèn)為他們可以用所有技術(shù)做到這一點(diǎn)嗎？

@PastorKagiso
Wow, good work guys. Keep it up. following your channel from Africa

哇，干得好，伙計(jì)們。繼續(xù)加油。我來自非洲，關(guān)注你們的頻道。

@ManuSharma-zu5wx
India should develop their own jet engine also. We can't always buy from outside everytime. Tejas is good but engine is foreign.

印度也應(yīng)該研發(fā)自己的飛機(jī)發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)。我們不能每次都從外面購(gòu)買。光輝很好，但發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)是外國(guó)的。

@suman0055
Anyway that Aero India 2025 showcasing is going great with two big players su 57 & f35 placed so close to each other

無論如何，2025年印度航展展示非常棒，蘇-57和F-35這兩大玩家被放得如此之近。

@rogersanthony1
I’m an American and I’m hard headed but man these are 2 beautiful jets I love seeing these types of face off it’s amazing

我是美國(guó)人，雖然我很固執(zhí)，但這些真是兩款美麗的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，我喜歡看到這種對(duì)決，太精彩了。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@HumanEqality
Sell Tejas ? Are you kidding, you don’t have enough engine for Indian order

出售光輝？你在開玩笑嗎，你們根本沒有足夠的發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)來滿足印度的訂單

@ankurag8056
That's right... HAL is not even able to fulfill IAF demands...let alone international orders..

沒錯(cuò)……HAL連印度空軍的需求都無法滿足，更不用說國(guó)際訂單了……

@prajwalbharambe343
@ankurag8056 because usa has denied to deliver jet engines.

因?yàn)槊绹?guó)拒絕交付噴氣發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)。

@SlimJim3082
@prajwalbharambe343so why aren't they making their own engines?

那么他們?yōu)槭裁床蛔约荷a(chǎn)發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)呢？

@JPJ432
Fun Fact about Russia: It was Russia who saved The unx during the American Civil War as they sent their Navy to San Francisco and New York when England and France were just about to enter the war on the side of the Confederates since London created the Confederates. France was already in Mexico making a spear head movement to resupply the Confederates and to open up a Pacific Theatre and to create a port in California. England already amassed 11,000 troops and growing stationed at their Northern Confederacies border now called Canada ready to open a Northern Theatre to divert unx troops away from their Southern Confederacy then to attack The unxs naval blockade. The unx would have been completely destroyed and annexed by those two great powers leaving the Confederates to exist as either a puppet state of London or to be fully brought back into the fold of the British Empire.

關(guān)于俄羅斯的有趣事實(shí)：正是俄羅斯在美國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)期間拯救了美國(guó)聯(lián)邦，因?yàn)楫?dāng)時(shí)英格蘭和法國(guó)即將站在南方聯(lián)盟一邊參戰(zhàn)時(shí)，俄羅斯派遣了他們的海軍前往舊金山和紐約。
南方聯(lián)盟是由倫敦所創(chuàng)建的。法國(guó)已經(jīng)在墨西哥展開了一項(xiàng)先鋒行動(dòng)，重新補(bǔ)給南方聯(lián)盟，并在加利福尼亞建立一個(gè)太平洋戰(zhàn)區(qū)的港口。
英格蘭已經(jīng)在其北部南方聯(lián)盟邊境（如今的加拿大）駐扎了11,000名部隊(duì)，并且準(zhǔn)備開啟北方戰(zhàn)區(qū)，轉(zhuǎn)移聯(lián)邦軍隊(duì)的注意力，從而攻擊聯(lián)邦的海上封鎖。
否則，聯(lián)邦將被這兩個(gè)大國(guó)完全摧毀并吞并，南方聯(lián)盟將變成倫敦的傀儡國(guó)家，或者完全重新回歸英國(guó)帝國(guó)的懷抱。

@JPJ432
There is also a memorial in San Francisco for the hundreds of Russian sailors who came off their Asiatic fleet ships that died while helping the city put out a fire that threatened to lay waste to it during the War.

舊金山也有一座紀(jì)念碑，紀(jì)念那些來自亞洲艦隊(duì)的俄羅斯水手，他們?cè)趲椭鞘袚錅缫粓?chǎng)大火時(shí)犧牲，這場(chǎng)火災(zāi)威脅著將城市毀滅。

@JPJ432
The Russian fleet also threatened to Shell Australian ports along with other British Pacific Colonies if Britain aided the Confederates. A confederate war ship spent a lot of time in Australian waters and was supported by the Australian public, some even signing on as crew members. This Confederate war ship laid waist to the US Pacific whaling fleet and is reported to have fired the last shot in the war. The name of the ship was called the CSS Shenandoah. Its surrender was at Liverpool England where Confederate Commander Bulloch was stationed.

俄羅斯艦隊(duì)還威脅要轟擊澳大利亞港口以及其他英國(guó)太平洋殖民地，如果英國(guó)援助南方聯(lián)盟。一艘南方聯(lián)盟的軍艦在澳大利亞水域停留了很長(zhǎng)時(shí)間，并得到了澳大利亞民眾的支持，有些人甚至加入了船員。
這艘南方聯(lián)盟軍艦摧毀了美國(guó)太平洋捕鯨艦隊(duì)，并據(jù)報(bào)道打響了戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中的最后一炮。這艘船的名字是CSS Shenandoah。它在英格蘭利物浦投降，當(dāng)時(shí)南方聯(lián)盟指揮官Bulloch駐扎在那里。

@richi2831
Very informative. Thx the history lesson.

非常有信息量，謝謝你的歷史課。

@ruZsiaNa-C
What BS... russiaNa-Z is so far away and the war was predominantly in the east.. russiaNa-Z navy barely exist in the east of russiaNa-Z.. why would they even care about american problem?

真是胡說八道……俄羅斯距離如此遙遠(yuǎn)，而且戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)主要發(fā)生在東部……俄羅斯在俄羅斯東部的海軍幾乎不存在……他們?yōu)槭裁磿?huì)關(guān)心美國(guó)的問題呢？

@ruZsiaNa-C
@JPJ432now you add australia which is super far from russiaNa-Z.. all your stuff arw fake

現(xiàn)在你又提到澳大利亞，這離俄羅斯也遠(yuǎn)得離譜……你說的都是假的。

@ruZsiaNa-C
@richi2831yoy actually believe him?? russiaNa-Z is not known for navy and all of a sudden they want to take om great britain, which at that time has the most formidable navy?? Also this guy said "went to australia" yeah right. russiaNa-Z navy won't even survive half way to australia

你真信他說的嗎？？俄羅斯從來不以海軍聞名，突然間他們想去挑戰(zhàn)當(dāng)時(shí)擁有最強(qiáng)大海軍的英國(guó)？？還有這個(gè)人說“去了澳大利亞”，說得好像是真的。俄羅斯海軍連到澳大利亞一半的路程都無法撐過去。

@nirajshrestha5621
@ruZsiaNa-C noob go play your fantasy games and watch fantasy movies like top gun, captain america. And stay out of reality!

小白去玩你的幻想游戲，看看像《壯志凌云》、《美國(guó)隊(duì)長(zhǎng)》這樣的幻想電影吧，別再搞錯(cuò)現(xiàn)實(shí)了！

@rogersanthony1
@ruZsiaNa-CRussia never interfered in the American revolution they stayed neutral and for the civil war Russia stayed neutral but keep their warships in Americans harbors as a deterrent to British and France incase of interference because Russia did favor the unx but did nothing to get involved.

俄羅斯從未干預(yù)美國(guó)革命，他們保持中立。在美國(guó)內(nèi)戰(zhàn)期間，俄羅斯也保持中立，但他們將戰(zhàn)艦停留在美國(guó)港口，以防止英國(guó)和法國(guó)干預(yù)，因?yàn)槎砹_斯確實(shí)支持聯(lián)邦，但沒有參與其中。

@ruZsiaNa-C
@rogersanthony1 why are you telling me this? Tell it to the guy who wrote the main comment he is full of SНlT

為什么要告訴我這些？告訴寫主評(píng)論的人，他滿嘴胡說。

@deezy818n2
Frm America, thx for that Rooski's.

來自美國(guó)，謝謝俄羅斯人。

@JPJ432
@deezy818n2 I think you will enjoy this quote from the Russian Foreign Minister Alexander Gorchakov writing to Lincoln in the Autumn of 1862 a year and a half into the war-
"You know that the government of United States has few friends among the Powers. England rejoices over what is happening to you; she longs and prays for your overthrow. France is less actively hostile; her interests would be less affected by the result; but she is not unwilling to see it. She is not your friend. Your situation is getting worse and worse. The chances of preserving the unx are growing more desperate. Can nothing be done to stop this dreadful war? The hope of reunx is growing less and less, and I wish to impress upon your government that the separation, which I fear must come, will be considered by Russia as one of the greatest misfortunes. Russia alone, has stood by you from the first, and will continue to stand by you. We are very, very anxious that some means should be adopted-that any course should be pursued-which will prevent the division which now seems inevitable. One separation will be followed by another; you will break into fragments."

我想你會(huì)喜歡這段來自俄羅斯外交部長(zhǎng)亞歷山大·戈?duì)柷】品蛟?862年秋季寫給林肯的信，戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)已經(jīng)進(jìn)行了一個(gè)半年：
“你知道，美國(guó)政府在各大國(guó)中幾乎沒有朋友。英格蘭為你們現(xiàn)在的困境感到高興；他們渴望并祈禱著你們的失敗。法國(guó)雖然沒有積極敵對(duì)，但她的利益不會(huì)受到太大影響；
她并不排斥看到這一結(jié)果。她不是你們的朋友。你們的處境越來越糟。保住聯(lián)邦的機(jī)會(huì)越來越渺茫。難道就沒有辦法停止這場(chǎng)可怕的戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)嗎？
重建的希望越來越小，我想告訴你們的政府，分裂，我恐怕是不可避免的，將被俄羅斯視為最大的不幸。
只有俄羅斯，從一開始就站在你們這邊，并且將繼續(xù)支持你們。我們非常非常希望能夠采取一些措施，采取任何行動(dòng)，來防止這種看似不可避免的分裂。
一次分裂將會(huì)引發(fā)另一次；你們將四分五裂。”

@JPJ432
@richi2831 Here is another quote I think you will like but from Tsar Alexander II in an Interview after the war-
"In the Autumn of 1862, the governments of France and Great Britain proposed to Russia, in a formal but not in an official way, the joint recognition by European powers of the independence of the Confederate States of America. My immediate answer was: "I will not cooperate in such action; and I will not acquiesce. On the contrary, I shall accept the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States by France and Great Britain as a casus belli for Russia. And in order that the governments of France and Great Britain may understand that this is no idle threat; I will send a Pacific fleet to San Francisco and an Atlantic fleet to New York."

這里有另一段我認(rèn)為你會(huì)喜歡的引用，來自戰(zhàn)后沙皇亞歷山大二世在一次采訪中的話：
“在1862年秋季，法國(guó)和英國(guó)政府以正式但非官方的方式向俄羅斯提議，歐洲大國(guó)聯(lián)合承認(rèn)南方聯(lián)盟的獨(dú)立。
我的立刻回應(yīng)是：‘我不會(huì)參與此類行動(dòng)；我不會(huì)同意。相反，我將視法國(guó)和英國(guó)承認(rèn)南方聯(lián)盟獨(dú)立為俄羅斯的宣戰(zhàn)理由。
為了讓法國(guó)和英國(guó)政府明白這不是空洞的威脅，我將派遣一支太平洋艦隊(duì)前往舊金山，一支大西洋艦隊(duì)前往紐約?！?/b>

@deezy818n2
@JPJ432 I did enjoy that, I always love learning about history. Here's hoping that our countries will be amicable again one day.

我確實(shí)喜歡這個(gè)，我一直喜歡學(xué)習(xí)歷史。希望我們的國(guó)家有一天能夠重新友好相處。

@lemoncrime2880
Yep. The USA were really good allies with Russia early on, pretty mich solely because we both did not like the UK. Then they turned into the USSR and inflicted horrible atrocities onto the world and removed rights from neighboring countries. Now Com...ism failed and they are a corrupt state locked in a pointless illegal war.

是的。美國(guó)早期與俄羅斯是非常好的盟友，幾乎完全是因?yàn)槲覀兌疾幌矚g英國(guó)。后來他們變成了蘇聯(lián)，對(duì)世界犯下了可怕的暴行，剝奪了鄰國(guó)的權(quán)利?，F(xiàn)在GCZY失敗了，他們是一個(gè)腐敗的國(guó)家，陷入了一個(gè)毫無意義的非法戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)中。

@godwinchike8737
..I love Russian self- sufficiency!!!

..我喜歡俄羅斯的自給自足！?。?/b>
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@ruZsiaNa-C
@godwinchike8737 is that why they begged north korea for troops, china for more equipment, iran for ballistic missile and shahed??

這就是為什么他們向北朝鮮求援兵力，向中國(guó)求援更多設(shè)備，向伊朗求購(gòu)彈道導(dǎo)彈和無人機(jī)嗎？？

@Robrulz666icloud
Self sufficiency Putin please HELP us MR KIM we’re getting smashed by Ukraine

自給自足，普京先生，請(qǐng)幫幫我們，金正恩先生，我們正被烏克蘭打得落花流水

@Robrulz666icloud
@ruZsiaNa-CHe’s delusional

他是個(gè)幻想者

@zollen123
There is no such thing as self-sufficiency.

根本沒有什么自給自足。

@chrislee5685
India brought French Rafale at inflated price so of course both would want India as customer.

印度以高價(jià)購(gòu)買了法國(guó)的“陣風(fēng)”戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，所以當(dāng)然雙方都會(huì)希望印度成為他們的客戶。

@Ronin13881
wow, impressive military officers. They're aged already but can still fly.

哇，令人印象深刻的軍人。他們已經(jīng)年紀(jì)很大了，但仍然能飛。

@jetli740
last week f35 crash.....high quality

上周F-35墜機(jī)……高質(zhì)量。

@jkbbumblebee
F-35 is an expensive fighter jet to manufacture and maintain
Su-57 is struggling with supply chain issues due to economic sanctions from USA and European unx

F-35是制造和維護(hù)成本很高的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。
Su-57由于美國(guó)和歐盟的經(jīng)濟(jì)制裁，正面臨供應(yīng)鏈問題。

@AnonymousAnonymous-dc3jm
When India comes with it's own 5th gen fighter, US, Russia and China comes with 6th Gen fighters!

當(dāng)印度推出自己研發(fā)的5代戰(zhàn)機(jī)時(shí)，美國(guó)、俄羅斯和中國(guó)都已經(jīng)推出了6代戰(zhàn)機(jī)！

@user-t5us9qnw
Then what ?
India is still a developing nation . All of them are already developed.

那又怎么樣？
印度仍然是一個(gè)發(fā)展中國(guó)家。它們都已經(jīng)是發(fā)達(dá)國(guó)家了。

@fallonmassey4714
*Sorry, you had a typo, when India delivers its 5th Gen fighter, Russia & China will be on 9th Gen!*

*抱歉，你打錯(cuò)字了，當(dāng)印度交付它的5代戰(zhàn)機(jī)時(shí)，俄羅斯和中國(guó)將進(jìn)入9代戰(zhàn)機(jī)時(shí)代！*

@cashcash5995
Yes you are right , it is still the largest 3rd world country and it can't be the leader of the global south .

是的，你說得對(duì)，印度仍然是最大的發(fā)展中國(guó)家，無法成為全球南方的領(lǐng)導(dǎo)者。

@porcellian
@user-t5us9qnwIndia is a developing nation acting like a superpower. While China is already a superpower but still focuses on development.

印度是一個(gè)發(fā)展中國(guó)家，卻表現(xiàn)得像一個(gè)超級(jí)大國(guó)。而中國(guó)已經(jīng)是超級(jí)大國(guó)，但仍然專注于發(fā)展。

@keyair123
India only got its independence in 2014..11 years of independence..patience grasshoper

印度直到2014年才獲得獨(dú)立……獨(dú)立了11年……耐心點(diǎn)，小螞蚱。

@SuperImbadude
Such ignorance , all whatsapp university?

如此無知，都是來自“WhatsApp大學(xué)”的嗎？

@SuperImbadude
Or where you born after 2014, how has the current government made your life any better?

或者你是2014年后出生的嗎？現(xiàn)政府怎么讓你的生活變得更好？

@RanjithReddy-w2x
OK for Russia and US but CHINA.. In last air show china's 5th gen performed badly. We can even see its cockpit caught in fire even before take-off. Its fighter jet never proved in fight. Lots of doubts on j20 engine performance. You can see detailed analysis in YT by US airman.

俄羅斯和美國(guó)可以理解，但中國(guó)……在上次航展中，中國(guó)的5代戰(zhàn)機(jī)表現(xiàn)糟糕。我們甚至可以看到它的駕駛艙在起飛前就著火了。它的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)從未在戰(zhàn)斗中得到驗(yàn)證。對(duì)于J-20發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)性能有很多疑問。你可以在YouTube上看到美國(guó)飛行員的詳細(xì)分析。

@krishna_Bharath
Indian AMCA is going to be a 6+ generation fighter plane.

印度的AMCA將是一款6代以上的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@porcellian
Nowadays when people talk about AirPower they like to compare China and the US. But most people forgot that the US 5th gen F-22 was in production before China’s 4th gen J-10. Which means at one point China was 2 full generations behind the US. India’s Tejas program was launched in the same year as J-10. And India purchased Russian Su-30 just like China. The difference is India gave all the resources to HAL, while China wisely split between two competing companies. Because of that Chengdu’s J-10 finished ahead of time and it moved onto 5th gen J-20, and now the 6th gen J-36. Meanwhile Shenyang learned so much maintaining the Flankers that it soon produces its own Flanker clones. And then it produced the 5th gen J-35, and successfully test flighted its own 6th gen J-50 the same week as Chengdu’s J-36. Talk about neck to neck, China vs China competition. Meanwhile the US is still working on its 6th gen fighter PowerPoint, and HAL is still stuck on the Tejas.

如今，當(dāng)人們談?wù)摽罩辛α繒r(shí)，他們喜歡比較中國(guó)和美國(guó)。但大多數(shù)人忘記了，美國(guó)的5代F-22在中國(guó)的4代J-10之前就開始量產(chǎn)了。這意味著，中國(guó)曾經(jīng)落后美國(guó)兩代。
印度的光輝計(jì)劃與J-10在同一年啟動(dòng)，印度也購(gòu)買了俄羅斯的Su-30，就像中國(guó)一樣。
不同的是，印度將所有資源投入到HAL（印度斯坦航空公司），而中國(guó)則明智地將資源分配給兩家競(jìng)爭(zhēng)公司。
正因?yàn)槿绱?，成都的J-10提前完成，并且轉(zhuǎn)向了5代J-20，現(xiàn)在又發(fā)展到了6代J-36。
與此同時(shí)，沈陽(yáng)通過維護(hù)側(cè)衛(wèi)學(xué)習(xí)了很多，迅速生產(chǎn)了自己的側(cè)衛(wèi)克隆機(jī)。
然后，它生產(chǎn)了5代J-35，并在同一周成功試飛了自己的6代J-50，幾乎與成都的J-36同一時(shí)間。
這簡(jiǎn)直是中國(guó)內(nèi)部的激烈競(jìng)爭(zhēng)。與此同時(shí)，美國(guó)還在制作它的6代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)的PPT，而HAL仍然被光輝困住。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@ankitjaiswal5236
@porcellian Chinese products are not reliable at all .. USA is far ahead of u guys
U guys have no match for them , first make reliable product

中國(guó)的產(chǎn)品一點(diǎn)也不可靠……美國(guó)遠(yuǎn)遠(yuǎn)領(lǐng)先你們
你們根本無法與他們匹敵，先做出可靠的產(chǎn)品再說。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@coremanishmehta
@fallonmassey4714 well not this time as engine will be indigenously made not dependent on foreign supply which is actually causing the current delay in tejas delivery

這次不一樣，發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)將是國(guó)產(chǎn)的，不再依賴外部供應(yīng)，這實(shí)際上導(dǎo)致了光輝交付的延遲。

@bossmansidhu4166
India on the rise

印度正在崛起

@coremanishmehta
@porcellian yeah this time three agencies are involved in making one 5th gen engine becoz they don't have the expertise in such advanced engine till now.. but once it's ready.. the next generation jets will be a piece of cake..

是的，這次有三家機(jī)構(gòu)參與制造一個(gè)5代發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)，因?yàn)樗麄兊侥壳盀橹惯€沒有這類先進(jìn)發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)的專業(yè)技術(shù)……但是一旦發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)準(zhǔn)備好了，下一代戰(zhàn)機(jī)將會(huì)變得輕松得多。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@krishna_Bharath
@porcellian The issue of India is only bureaucratic and not technology related. why China is still lagging in jet engine development. think about it. so many videos came in youtube on that. There is no magic want to get a fighter Jet engine. you need to build and impoverish it to make a success.

印度的問題僅僅是官僚主義的，而不是技術(shù)上的。為什么中國(guó)在噴氣發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)開發(fā)上仍然落后呢？想想看。YouTube上有很多關(guān)于這方面的視頻。沒有什么魔法能讓你獲得一款戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)。你需要開發(fā)并精細(xì)化它，才能取得成功。

@Pain-zd5uo
Lol what India has already developed 5th gen and prolly working on 6th gen secretly right now. The problem with delays is not really the tech procuring issues but the bureaucracy.

笑死了，印度已經(jīng)開發(fā)了5代戰(zhàn)機(jī)，可能現(xiàn)在正在秘密研發(fā)6代戰(zhàn)機(jī)。延遲的問題其實(shí)不是技術(shù)采購(gòu)問題，而是官僚主義。

@krishna_Bharath
@Pain-zd5uo Keep laughing thats what you guys are good at. what ever you make it should be battle ready and battle tested. Let us see which one is better in coming years.

繼續(xù)笑吧，那是你們擅長(zhǎng)的。無論你們做什么，都應(yīng)該是戰(zhàn)斗準(zhǔn)備充分且經(jīng)過戰(zhàn)斗驗(yàn)證的。讓我們看看未來幾年哪個(gè)更好。

@Pain-zd5uo
@krishna_Bharath did you even read my comment properly? I'm supporting India.

你到底有沒有認(rèn)真讀我的評(píng)論？我是在支持印度。

@gautamganguli1221
@SuperImbadude
Blame the com...sts. Or maybe some JNU faculty and students. They used to shout "Yeh azadi jhoota hai."They stopped after Modi called them "andolanjeevis."I think keyair must have factored this into jis post.

怪罪***吧?；蛘吖止帜承㎎NU的教職工和學(xué)生。他們?cè)?jīng)喊過“這自由是假的”。在莫迪稱他們?yōu)椤斑\(yùn)動(dòng)分子”后，他們停止了。我想keyair肯定考慮到了這一點(diǎn)。 (***政黨或名字 上下同)

@porcellian
Actually J-20's WS-15 engines have a trust to weight ration of 11.5+, which is superior to F-22's F119 engines. And J-20 also has superior radars, avionics, stealth coatings, and missiles. But that's besides the point. India's primary problem is mentality. Physically India got independence in 1947, but mentally India still behaves like colony. The smartest Indians take pride in moving to White men's countries, work for White men's companies. Why not stay behind and build world class Indian companies? Instead of buying the White folks jets, why not build your own? Why not build even more advanced jets than the White folks?

其實(shí)，J-20的WS-15發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)的推重比超過11.5，優(yōu)于F-22的F119發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)。而且J-20還擁有更先進(jìn)的雷達(dá)、航空電子設(shè)備、隱形涂層和導(dǎo)彈。
但這不是重點(diǎn)。印度的主要問題是心態(tài)。印度在1947年取得了獨(dú)立，但在心態(tài)上，印度依然表現(xiàn)得像一個(gè)殖民地。最聰明的印度人以移居到白人國(guó)家、為白人公司的工作而自豪。
為什么不留在本國(guó)，建立世界一流的印度公司呢？為什么要購(gòu)買白人的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，為什么不自己造？為什么不造出比白人更先進(jìn)的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)？

@krishna_Bharath
@porcellian Fist tell me how many years it took to reverse engineer the russian engine or manufacture a own engine? i know china is doing this for the last 15~10 years. Also How many wars does this J20 fought till now? There was a report that SU30 MKI is able to spot the J20 stealth over Ti.... so you can keep trumpeting your achievements but it needs to be proved in the battle field. we are in process of building or collaborating with countries that has technical knowhow. we dont steal other technologies or reverse engineer without their consent. will the same Western countries share the technology with china?

首先告訴我，俄羅斯的發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)反向工程或者自制發(fā)動(dòng)機(jī)花了多少年時(shí)間？我知道中國(guó)已經(jīng)在做這個(gè)已經(jīng)有15到10年了。還有，這架J-20至今參加了多少次戰(zhàn)爭(zhēng)？
有報(bào)道稱，蘇-30MKI能夠在西藏發(fā)現(xiàn)J-20的隱身特性。所以你可以繼續(xù)吹噓你們的成就，但這些必須在戰(zhàn)場(chǎng)上得到驗(yàn)證。
我們正在與擁有技術(shù)專長(zhǎng)的國(guó)家合作或者共同研發(fā)。我們不偷別國(guó)的技術(shù)，也不會(huì)在未經(jīng)他們同意的情況下反向工程。那些西方國(guó)家會(huì)與中國(guó)分享技術(shù)嗎？

@porcellian
@krishna_Bharath you proved my point that in Indian's minds Western = superiority. Su-30 has to have superior situation awareness than J-20 because of the belief in White superiority. Never mind the fact that Su-30 only has PESA radar and much larger RCS, while J-20 has much more advanced GaN radar and much smaller RCS. And if a non-White country develops something nice, it has to be stolen. Never mind the fact that no White country has produced a 6th gen fighter yet. As I mentioned earlier, Tejas was started in the same year as J-10. While J-10 has evolved into J-20 and recently the 6th gen J-36, Tejas remain stuck in 4th gen. Why? Because Indians don't believe in the idea that Colored people can reach the top, mentally they are stuck in colonel era.

你證明了我的觀點(diǎn)，在印度人看來，西方＝優(yōu)越。由于對(duì)白人優(yōu)越性的信仰，蘇-30的情境意識(shí)必須比J-20更強(qiáng)。盡管蘇-30只有PESA雷達(dá)，RCS也更大，而J-20擁有更先進(jìn)的GaN雷達(dá)和更小的RCS。并且如果一個(gè)非白人國(guó)家開發(fā)了什么好東西，那一定是偷的。不要忘了，沒有任何白人國(guó)家生產(chǎn)過第六代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。
正如我之前提到的，光輝是在與J-10同一年開始的。而J-10已經(jīng)發(fā)展成J-20，并且最近發(fā)展出了第六代J-36，光輝依然停留在第四代。為什么？因?yàn)橛《热瞬幌嘈庞猩朔N能夠達(dá)到頂峰，心理上他們依然困在殖民時(shí)代。

@Nat-g2c
Most likely 7th generation

很可能是第七代

@ricarish
@keyair123 Nobody will know your complete ignorance on facts if you don't post anything! don't act stupid !

如果你不發(fā)帖子，沒人知道你對(duì)事實(shí)的完全無知！別裝傻！

@IND-VG
7Th gen... China already build 6th gen.

第七代... 中國(guó)已經(jīng)制造了第六代。

@indian-fc8md
@user-t5us9qnw even china was like India ..so what ?

就算中國(guó)曾經(jīng)像印度一樣，那又怎樣？

@DuChen-py7gl
@krishna_Bharath Losers always comfort themselves with lies that winners steal. This is Indian national character.

失敗者總是用謊言安慰自己，說勝利者是偷的。這是印度的民族性格。

@GAJKUMR-GORANGHATA2425
That's why ANCA will be 5.5gen

這就是為什么ANCA將會(huì)是5.5代。

@indian-fc8md
@GAJKUMR-GORANGHATA2425 if we are lucky we will get alpha ,beta will come by 2050

如果我們幸運(yùn)的話，我們會(huì)得到Alpha，Beta會(huì)在2050年出現(xiàn)。

@ramaraocheepi7847
90 countries taking part in this eventful air show 25 in Yalahanka air base. It facilitates to countries to buy and sell the ac of sorts. Such shows are essential for enhancement of production of AC of different versions

90個(gè)國(guó)家參加了這個(gè)意義重大的航展，其中25個(gè)國(guó)家在亞拉漢卡空軍基地參展。它為各國(guó)提供了購(gòu)買和出售各種飛機(jī)的機(jī)會(huì)。這樣的展會(huì)對(duì)于提升不同版本飛機(jī)的生產(chǎn)至關(guān)重要。

@PERLAS-NG-SILANGANAN
If I were a president of a country, I will pick Russia and its product. No more hassle and is also very reliable and affordable.

如果我是一個(gè)國(guó)家的總統(tǒng)，我會(huì)選擇俄羅斯及其產(chǎn)品。沒有那么多麻煩，而且非常可靠和經(jīng)濟(jì)實(shí)惠。

@abilashrajan4851
Spectacular manifest...

壯觀的表現(xiàn)...

@Xpj4k3bqY
India must go for both russia as well amrican fighter under make in india program so that india can Ballance between both during having both the technology

印度必須在“印度制造”計(jì)劃下選擇俄羅斯和美國(guó)的戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，這樣印度可以在擁有兩種技術(shù)的情況下保持平衡。
原創(chuàng)翻譯：龍騰網(wǎng) http://m.top-shui.cn 轉(zhuǎn)載請(qǐng)注明出處

@UdupiHudga
USA not giving technology .

美國(guó)不提供技術(shù)。

@SirEdges_Adejo
They can't have both technology. If technology transfers will happen, it will be with the Russians. Stop dreaming

他們不能同時(shí)擁有兩種技術(shù)。如果技術(shù)轉(zhuǎn)讓發(fā)生，它將與俄羅斯進(jìn)行。別做夢(mèng)了。

@cashcash5995
And no one will sell to India .

而且沒人會(huì)賣給印度。

@Xpj4k3bqY
@cashcash5995 duffer all is ready to sell not sell also ready to transfer technology .. plz come out from stinking toilat u are right now

傻瓜，所有人都準(zhǔn)備好出售了，即使不賣也準(zhǔn)備好轉(zhuǎn)讓技術(shù)……請(qǐng)從你現(xiàn)在待的臭廁所里出來。

@Xpj4k3bqY
@cashcash5995 they why they are displaying in india if they don't wanna sell

那如果他們不想賣，為什么要在印度展示？

@peterneil6859
... better go and beg China J 10 Jet fighter...

...最好去向中國(guó)求購(gòu)殲-10戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)...

@melindaalinajjar
F35 is the badass... the best best technology...100% no doubt...

F-35是最牛的…最好的技術(shù)…100%沒錯(cuò)…

@MelgazoGerald
every year f35 are falling in the ground while conducting air show or military exercises

每年F-35在進(jìn)行航展或軍事演習(xí)時(shí)都會(huì)墜落。

@Gooeymoose
No doubt about it

毫無疑問

@felix-do4yj
F35 can be controlled directly from the US

F-35可以直接由美國(guó)控制。

@roydasan5647
All the best, INDIA

祝印度一切順利

@yuchenliu8449
All the best? all the worest!

祝順利？全是災(zāi)難！

@jakblu5411
All the shit, INDIA

全是垃圾，印度

@pamri6028
Both Su57 and F35 is needed for India

印度需要蘇-57和F-35兩款戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)。

@bhawanisinghindia2287
Wow amazing

哇，太棒了

@Msoja8
SU-57 all the way.

一路支持蘇-57。

@AndrewMcFarlane_1
Su 57 is not 5th gen and is not stealth... but its very good looking

蘇-57不是第五代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)，也不是隱形戰(zhàn)機(jī)……但它外形非常好看。

@preachingflamesthepreacher3894
@AndrewMcFarlane_1 judging by its reliability the su57 is agreeably a 5/6 generation ; while the self-induced crushing f35 is still a combat-incompetent & expensive prototype & simulation

從可靠性來看，蘇-57無疑是第五/第六代戰(zhàn)斗機(jī)；而自毀的F-35仍然是一個(gè)作戰(zhàn)能力差、昂貴的原型機(jī)和模擬機(jī)。