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METEOR (índia) x PL-15 (Paquist?o): O poderoso míssil METEOR foi "superado" pelo chinês PL-15?
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Tem um pessoal na franca que nao tá dormindo esses dias .
這些天法國人睡不著覺了。
Whole of India can't sleep these days..
這些天整個印度都坐立不安……
Pode ter sido o sistema de brouillage do J-10, o famoso KZ900, que fez efeito sobre o SPECTRA e o radar. Ele os tornou inoperantes.
可能是殲- 10的干擾系統(tǒng)，著名的KZ900，對“頻譜”（“陣風(fēng)”的電子戰(zhàn)系統(tǒng)）和雷達(dá)起了作用，讓它們無法正常工作。
S?o sim. existem fotos dos Rafales destruidos no ch?o
已經(jīng)證實。有“陣風(fēng)”被摧毀在地面的照片。
Míssil inteligente ar/ar o do Rafale foi um inteligente ar/terra tanto que passou e massacrou, o outro abateu o Rafale como era a sua fun??o!
“陣風(fēng)”的空對空智能導(dǎo)彈被當(dāng)成空對地導(dǎo)彈使用了，所以它們成功攻擊了地面目標(biāo)，而另一方的導(dǎo)彈擊落了“陣風(fēng)”，這就是原因！
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@SouravDas-mz6jf The fact that the Indian military did not deny it during the direct questioning already indicates where the problem lies, doesn't it? The official inquiry video has been released online. Although it is understandable that the authorities cannot directly admit this in the conflict, facing the reality is the correct approach. To be honest, it is not difficult to understand the reasons why the Indian Air Force has suffered such heavy losses. After all, this is the first time to truly confront beyond-visual-range operations. Among the known countries, only China and the United States are confirmed to have this capability. Pakistan has unexpectedly and suddenly acquired beyovisual air combat capabilities, which indeed makes traditional air forces unable to cope. For instance, I was used to fighting with a knife at close range before, but suddenly the opponent got a gun and fired directly across the battlefield.
印度軍方在被直接質(zhì)問時沒有否認(rèn)陣風(fēng)被擊落，這已經(jīng)說明了問題所在，不是嗎？官方調(diào)查視頻已經(jīng)在網(wǎng)上發(fā)布。盡管可以理解當(dāng)局在沖突中無法直接承認(rèn)這一點，但面對現(xiàn)實才是正確的做法。
老實說，印度空軍遭受如此慘重?fù)p失的原因并不難理解。畢竟，這是他們首次真正面對超視距作戰(zhàn)。在已知國家中，只有中國和美國確認(rèn)具備這種能力。巴基斯坦出人意料地突然獲得了超視距空戰(zhàn)能力，這確實讓傳統(tǒng)空軍難以應(yīng)對。例如，之前習(xí)慣了近距離用刀戰(zhàn)斗，但對手突然有了槍，并直接在戰(zhàn)場對面開火。
@hoffnung-su the problem of the argument is that air force also have bvraam missile like astra and meteor . On top of that it was already published in media before conflict have started that china have given air to air missiles to Pakistan, I don't think airforce have ruled out this development . Most important factor is that missile wreckage that are found in the targeted area of Pakistan are brahmos air launch missile , not scalp and hammer missile . Even if we assume damage are occur , it has less probability of rafael
爭議的問題在于，印度空軍也擁有像“阿斯特拉”（Astra）和“流星”（Meteor）這樣的超視距空對空導(dǎo)彈。此外，沖突爆發(fā)前媒體就已報道中國向巴基斯坦提供了空對空導(dǎo)彈，我認(rèn)為印度空軍不可能沒考慮到這一情況。
最重要的因素是，在巴基斯坦目標(biāo)區(qū)域發(fā)現(xiàn)的導(dǎo)彈殘骸是“布拉莫斯”（Brahmos）空射導(dǎo)彈，而非“斯卡普”（Scalp）和“哈姆”（Hammer）導(dǎo)彈。即使假設(shè)印度戰(zhàn)機確實受損，也不太可能是“陣風(fēng)”（Rafale）戰(zhàn)機被擊落。
你去問問被PL15E擊落的陣風(fēng)戰(zhàn)斗機是不是真的
Three radar seeker of PL1-15 were found in India. Moreover, the facts acknowledged by French officials, CNN officials, and The Hindu newspaper have also been confirmed by the Pakistani Ministry of Defense. Although the Ministry of Defence of India did not confirm, it did not refute. Aren't these enough to explain the problem? The tail wing number of the Rafale aircraft was also discovered as BS001
在印度發(fā)現(xiàn)了PL-15的三個雷達(dá)導(dǎo)引頭。此外，法國官員、CNN 和《印度教徒報》承認(rèn)的事實也得到了巴基斯坦國防部的確認(rèn)。盡管印度國防部沒有確認(rèn)，但也沒有反駁。這些還不足以說明問題嗎？被擊落的陣風(fēng)戰(zhàn)機尾翼編號也被發(fā)現(xiàn)為BS001。
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@SouravDas-mz6jf Then ask the French to come out and clarify that what the Indians say is also unrelible ??
那讓法國人出來澄清一下，印度人說的話也不可靠啊
@Leesy7-ci2lx india haven't made any official statement yet that French needs to comes out to clarify
印度尚未發(fā)表任何官方聲明，所以法國人不需要出來澄清。
我們會更加努力，確保美國陸軍和海軍學(xué)會適應(yīng)在沒有了空中優(yōu)勢保護(hù)的西太平洋地區(qū)情作戰(zhàn)
@SouravDas-mz6jf Of course, I understand that the Indian authorities will not admit it in the media, because it is not a glorious matter, but Modi did not come out to deny it. Of course, France does not want to admit it, because it will affect the sales of fighter jets, but such information can never be hidden from the senior leaders of various countries. The information they have is definitely more accurate than the media and ordinary people. Just pay attention to the future sales of these two fighters.
當(dāng)然，我理解印度當(dāng)局不會在媒體上承認(rèn)這一點，因為這不是一件光彩的事，但莫迪也沒有出來否認(rèn)。當(dāng)然，法國也不想承認(rèn)，因為這會影響戰(zhàn)斗機的銷售，但這類信息永遠(yuǎn)無法瞞過各國高層領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人。他們掌握的信息肯定比媒體和普通人更準(zhǔn)確。只需關(guān)注這兩款戰(zhàn)斗機未來的銷售情況即可。
@Leesy7-ci2lx thats not true in 2019 skirmish india accepted that its pilot have been shoot down by pakistan and at the same time it shoot down it own helicopter in a friendly fired which was also admitted by iaf. the operations are going on and we must await for details . french officals also to ukraine will win war and we are seeing ehat happening.lets wait untill war got over
這不是真的。在 2019 年的沖突中，印度承認(rèn)飛行員被巴基斯坦擊落，同時印度空軍也承認(rèn)因友軍火力擊落了自己的直升機。行動仍在進(jìn)行中，我們必須等待更多細(xì)節(jié)。法國官員之前也說烏克蘭會贏得戰(zhàn)爭，現(xiàn)在我們看看發(fā)生了什么。讓我們等到?jīng)_突結(jié)束吧。
@Th3EFS Mesmo que a gente te mostre fotos, vocês v?o dizer que s?o falsas..
即使我們給你看照片，你們也會說照片是假的……
pl15E閹割版，射程少了一半！pl15是我們十幾年前的設(shè)計制造了，現(xiàn)在我們有pl17 pl21
Bom que as pessoas pensem fora da caixinha; essa história do ocidente que armamento russo ou chinês n?o presta, está totalmente errada! O brasileiro mediano "acha" que china é sin?nimo de produtos ruins. O problema é que o chinês fabrica produtos conforme o que o "freguês" (empresário) pede. Se pedirem coisa barata, eles fazem, se quiserem coisa boa, eles tbm fazem, mas o pre?o é outro.
很高興人們能跳出固有思維；西方所謂“俄羅斯或中國武器不行”的說法完全錯誤！普通巴西人“認(rèn)為”中國是劣質(zhì)產(chǎn)品的代名詞。但問題在于，中國人是根據(jù)“客戶”（企業(yè)）的要求制造產(chǎn)品的。如果要求便宜的東西，他們就做便宜的；如果想要好的東西，他們也能做，但價格就不一樣了。
兄弟，你說的沒錯，我們可是世界上最大的工廠?？蛻艟褪巧系?，我們聽客戶的。同樣一種開關(guān)，我們可以把它的使用次數(shù)做到2000次，也可以做到能使用300000次。當(dāng)然價格可能相差一百倍。只要客戶樂意花錢，空間站我們也能做。
you spot on. BTW Chinese official media just release a video about the factory of PL-15 air to air missiles. the factory is fully automated and full of robots. I think that's the reason PL-15 got cheap
你說得對。順便說一下，中國官方媒體剛剛發(fā)布了一段關(guān)于PL-15空空導(dǎo)彈工廠的視頻。工廠是全自動化的，到處都是機器人。我想這就是PL-15 成本低的原因。
Exatamente!!!!
完全正確?。?！
沒錯兄弟！我們中國人說一分價錢一分貨。你用豐田的價錢是買不到法拉利的。你在tume上買不到好東西是因為采購商只訂購了這個價錢的東西。但是阿聯(lián)酋人投資了我們的航天項目，我們就能把阿聯(lián)酋宇航員送上太空。
Realmente é isso, vejam os produtos Chineses na Europa, como roupas, s?o muito melhores que as roupas vendidas no Brasil...um simples exemplo
確實是這樣，看看歐洲的中國產(chǎn)品，比如衣服，比巴西賣的衣服好多了……舉個簡單的例子。
some people may forget that LV, YSL, GUCCI etc are made by China.
有些人可能忘了，路易威登（LV）、圣羅蘭（YSL）、古馳（GUCCI）等都是中國制造的。
@FrankZhang-pj9nn Onde encontro o video camarada Chines Eu sou doido pra encontrar videos de Fabricas de Artigos Militares Chineses.
兄弟，我在哪里可以找到這個視頻？我非常想看看中國軍用物品工廠的視頻。
@德意志軍馬
只有一個短視頻，是幾天前發(fā)布的。
@白尾-c2s
行行行～都是好樣的，我換個頻道繼續(xù)找客戶去
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Brother, you know us too well.??
兄弟，你太了解我們了。
Indianos tem quantidade, n?o focam em qualidade, já o Paquist?o foca na qualidade...
印度人注重數(shù)量，不注重質(zhì)量，而巴基斯坦注重質(zhì)量……
Os jatos Rafales da índia custaram quase 300 milh?es de dólares cada, o PL-15 foi estimado entre 1 e 5 milh?es.
印度的 “陣風(fēng)” 戰(zhàn)斗機每架成本近 3 億美元，而 PL-15 導(dǎo)彈估計在 100 萬到 500 萬美元之間。
10000000 cny??
100 萬人民幣
PL-15 500000USD??
PL-15（成本）50 萬美元
1500000usd
150 萬美元
Os Rafales n?o tiveram nada a ver com isso, quem se mostrou inferior foram os mísseis brasileiros Meteor, s?o eles que devem levar a culpa pela derrota
和“陣風(fēng)”戰(zhàn)斗機沒什么關(guān)系，真正表現(xiàn)不佳的是巴西的“流星”導(dǎo)彈，它們應(yīng)該為失敗負(fù)責(zé)。
@ Nada a ver, Rafales sempre tiveram marketing gigantesco, prometiam tudo incluindo detectar e desviar de mísseis como este.
ps: Meteor míssil brasileiro?? masoq??
毫無關(guān)聯(lián)，“陣風(fēng)”一直有強大的營銷宣傳，承諾能探測并避開此類導(dǎo)彈。
注：“流星”導(dǎo)彈是巴西的？你認(rèn)真的？
@charles2521 Vc n?o entendeu nada né crian?a, a índia estava usando mísseis brasileiros os Meteor e o Paquist?o os PL 15 da China, na guerra moderna funciona assim "Primeiro detectado, primeiro abatido" e o alcanse do radar dos mísseis paquistaneses/Chineses se mostraram superiores, n?o teve nada a ver com os ca?as e sim com a tecnologia empregada nos mísseis!
你什么都不懂，孩子。印度當(dāng)時使用的是巴西的“流星”導(dǎo)彈，而巴基斯坦使用的是中國的 PL-15 導(dǎo)彈。在現(xiàn)代戰(zhàn)爭中，“先發(fā)現(xiàn)，先擊落”是準(zhǔn)則，巴基斯坦/中國導(dǎo)彈的雷達(dá)射程更優(yōu)，這與戰(zhàn)斗機無關(guān)，而是導(dǎo)彈技術(shù)的問題！
? @robertsoares357 , Meteor n?o é um míssil brasileiro... é fabricado pela empresa europeia MBDA.
“流星”導(dǎo)彈不是巴西的……它是由歐洲 MBDA 公司制造的。
Weapons will change geopolitics.
武器將改變地緣政治。
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Rafael serial number BS 001 is no more! The Tea and french toast are both fantastic!
陣風(fēng)（Rafael）序列號 BS 001 已不復(fù)存在！茶和法式吐司都太棒了！
N?o há embate míssil x míssil. é o conjunto aeronave, doutrina, piloto, alxa terrestre e aéreo, táticas e procedimentos empregados e outros.
不是導(dǎo)彈對導(dǎo)彈的對抗。這是飛機、戰(zhàn)術(shù)理論、飛行員、地面和空中預(yù)警、使用的戰(zhàn)術(shù)和程序等綜合因素的結(jié)果。
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Existe sim. Ou vc acha que o tal "domo de ferro" de israel, que é uma defesa contra mísseis e foguetes, é literal?
確實存在導(dǎo)彈對抗。否則你以為以色列的“鐵穹”（反導(dǎo)系統(tǒng)），作為導(dǎo)彈和火箭彈防御系統(tǒng)，是徒有其名的嗎？
Papo furado, o que define a capacidade de combate é justamente o alcance do míssil, n?o adianta nada a índia ver os ca?as do Paquist?o a 200 km, se precisavam chegar a menos de 70km para disparar o Mica, enquanto o PL-15 tem mais do que o dobro do alcance, o erro da índia foi menosprezar o adversário.
胡說八道，決定作戰(zhàn)能力的正是導(dǎo)彈的射程。如果印度需要接近到70公里以內(nèi)才能發(fā)射 “米卡”（Mica）導(dǎo)彈，而PL-15的射程是其兩倍多，那么印度的錯誤就是輕視了對手。
Kkkkkk, antes os mísseis n?o prestavam, agora é a opera??o que n?o presta kkkkk
哈哈哈哈，之前說導(dǎo)彈不行，現(xiàn)在又說是作戰(zhàn)體系不行，哈哈哈哈。
Claro que sim, o J-10 n?o é páreo para o Rafale!!!!
O míssil fez toda diferen?a!!!
當(dāng)然如此，殲 - 10 不是陣風(fēng)的對手?。?！是導(dǎo)彈起到了決定性作用！
@jairoguarezifilho5240 Erro da India foi Literalmente n?o usar misseis Meteor no Rafale apenas com Mica.
印度的錯誤簡直是沒在陣風(fēng)機上使用“流星”（Meteor）導(dǎo)彈，只用了“米卡”。
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@clinteastwood6333 Se ela fez isso é um erro ridiculamente amador.
如果真是這樣，那就是極其業(yè)余的錯誤。
Boa noite capit?o ??
Belo vídeo sobre o PL15 apesar de se ter um pouco conhecimento o rada baseado AESA. é melhor fazer um vídeo sobre o tipo de sistema de guerra eletr?nica que Paquist?o usar.
晚安，上尉
關(guān)于 PL-15 的視頻很棒，盡管對基于 AESA 的雷達(dá)有一定了解。最好再做一個關(guān)于巴基斯坦使用的電子戰(zhàn)系統(tǒng)類型的視頻。
Os mísseis Chineses PL-15 podem abater aeronaves até 200 km de distancia, pelo que os avi?es indianos podem ser abatidos apenas 2 a 3 minutos após a descolagem, enquanto ainda est?o dentro do espa?o aéreo indiano.
中國的PL-15導(dǎo)彈可以擊落遠(yuǎn)至200公里外的飛機，所以印度的飛機可能在起飛后僅2到3分鐘就會被擊落，而且那時它們還在印度領(lǐng)空內(nèi)。
Nao é assim que funciona genio, nao é por que voce tem o raio de 200km que vai conseguir acertar o alvo, tem que considerar a geográfia, contramedidas, detecta??o por alxa antecipado e guerra eletr?nica
天才，但具體的過程不會這么簡單。不是說你有200公里的射程就能擊中目標(biāo)，還得考慮地理因素、反制措施、預(yù)警探測以及電子戰(zhàn)等方面。
300km
是300公里。
I'm Chinese, let me explain. The J-10CE flies at low altitude, staying more than 100 kilometers away from the Indian border. It keeps its electronic and radar signals off to avoid enemy detection. Targeting is handled by the ground-based HQ-9 air defense system, which locks onto the target. The HQ-9 then relays the data to an early warning aircraft, which has a detection range of 400 kilometers. The early warning aircraft provides guidance, and finally, the J-10CE launches the PL-15 missile.
To put it simply: the HQ-9 locks the target, the early warning aircraft guides the missile, and the J-10CE fires the PL-15. These three platforms exchange information seamlessly. Now you understand what kind of system the French Rafale is up against—this is a system-level weapon.
Alright, after all that explanation, time to place your orders! Limited-time offer—20% off when you buy now!
我是中國人，讓我來解釋一下。殲- 10CE在低空飛行，距離印度邊境100多公里。它關(guān)閉了電子和雷達(dá)信號以避免被敵人探測到。目標(biāo)由陸基的紅旗- 9防空系統(tǒng)鎖定，紅旗- 9再將數(shù)據(jù)傳遞給預(yù)警機，預(yù)警機的探測范圍是400公里。預(yù)警機提供引導(dǎo)，最后殲- 10CE發(fā)射PL-15 導(dǎo)彈。
簡單來說：紅旗 - 9鎖定目標(biāo)，預(yù)警機引導(dǎo)導(dǎo)彈，殲 - 10CE 發(fā)射 PL-15。這三個平臺無縫交換信息。現(xiàn)在你知道法國“陣風(fēng)”面對的是什么樣的系統(tǒng)級武器了吧。
好了，解釋完這些，該下單了！限時優(yōu)惠，現(xiàn)在購買打八折！
Se essas informa??es dos mísseis Chineses forem verdadeiras, realmente sao mísseis formidáveis
如果中國導(dǎo)彈的這些信息是真的，那確實是很厲害的導(dǎo)彈。
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??Brasil é bom adquirir tais mísseis Chineses
巴西應(yīng)該購買這種中國導(dǎo)彈
Se o Brasil recebesse os J10 da China, aí sim
如果巴西能收到中國的殲 - 10 戰(zhàn)斗機，那就好了
N?o temos aeronaves pra eles!!!! Os Gripens est?o chegando aos poucos e o contrato tem que ser cumprido!!!
N?o podem modificar os Gripens para esses mísseis!!!
我們沒有適配的飛機！“鷹獅”戰(zhàn)斗機正在逐步交付，合同必須履行！無法為這些導(dǎo)彈改裝 “鷹獅”！
Deveríamos adquirir alguma quantidade de equipamentos Chineses e russos além de equipamentos ocidentais, depender somente de uma fonte é arriscado e n?o t?o inteligente....
除了西方裝備，我們也應(yīng)該采購一些中俄裝備，只依賴單一來源有風(fēng)險，也不明智……
@李小白-x4v
很高興你能理解這一點。在這次印巴戰(zhàn)爭中，美國提前關(guān)閉了巴基斯坦所有的 F-16 戰(zhàn)斗機
Qual dinheiro? O ministro já esta falando que vai faltar dinheiro pra pagar os aposentados e sem falar que est?o roubando os velhinhos na cara dura.
拿什么錢買？部長已經(jīng)在說沒錢支付養(yǎng)老金了，更別說他們還在明目張膽地?fù)尳倮先恕?/b>
Brasil tem que comprar esse míssel Chinês !!!! ????????
巴西必須購買這種中國導(dǎo)彈?。。?/b>
China provides early warning aircraft ZDK03
中國給巴基斯坦提供了ZDK03預(yù)警機
"N?o é o avi?o. é o piloto."
(Maverick)
“關(guān)鍵不是飛機，而是飛行員。”
AWACs Paquistanês também.
巴基斯坦的預(yù)警機也是中國提供的。
@竹長
當(dāng)他們有代差時，再好的飛行員也彌補不了
Are you saying that if a person is strong enough to fight, it has nothing to do with the weapon in their hand, they can use a brick to defeat the gun wielding person across the street?
你的意思是說，如果一個人足夠強壯，戰(zhàn)斗勝敗就和他手中的武器無關(guān)了，他可以用一塊磚頭打敗街對面拿槍的人？
@三五瓶-o1f
陣風(fēng)在飛出機場20公里就被擊落了你知道這意味著什么嗎？就是說算上導(dǎo)彈的飛行時間陣風(fēng)還未起飛就被鎖定了，這和飛行員沒有任何關(guān)系了